Wednesday, November 08, 2006

The Two Faces Of Tom DeLay

"We got whipped last night."

-- Disgraced former Rep. Tom DeLay (R-TX), on CNN this morning.

"I don't think the Democrats won. I think the Republicans lost. This country is still right of center."

-- DeLay, a minute later, on CNN.

17 Comments:

Blogger Kitty said...

A flip-flopper lathered in denial. Read it and weep buddy, no one trusts your party.

9:27 AM  
Blogger thewaronterrible said...

He talks like a drunk you would meet in a bar.
Famous last words. With the Republicans firmly knocked out of power in at least the House, I don't think anyone will be seeking out his viewpoints on politics anytime again soon.

11:52 AM  
Anonymous trinity said...

Delay is absolutely right. He gets it, you two obviously remain clueless.

The Republicans blew it by betraying the trust of those who put them where they are. (or where they were) Illegal immigration, borders, and out-of-control spending come to mind. They ignored their biggest supporters at their own risk, and they got what they deserved. It gives me no joy to say that, but it's true.

On too many issues, this President and too many Republicans in Congress (especially the Senate) have failed to hold true to conservative values. If they continue to do this, and it looks as though they might, they can kiss the '08 election goodbye as well. Or if they're smart, they'll figure out what they've been doing wrong in time to save '08. I'll hope for the latter to occur.

2:27 PM  
Anonymous Dave G. said...

They ignored their biggest supporters at their own risk, and they got what they deserved. It gives me no joy to say that, but it's true.

On too many issues, this President and too many Republicans in Congress (especially the Senate) have failed to hold true to conservative values.


I wish I could see you now, to see if you're writing with a straight face. Because it's hooey. They've been pandering to the most conservative elements for six years and telling the rest of the country to go to hell (with the exception of the spending).

And so the country told them to stick it last night, and a disgraced idiot like Tom Delay can stick it too. The losses last night also prove that the GOP can't dust off any corrupt piece of crap and send them in as a congressman. A lot of hacks were voted out last night, and that's always a good thing.

3:18 PM  
Anonymous trinity said...

Dave G. said...
"I wish I could see you now, to see if you're writing with a straight face. Because it's hooey. They've been pandering to the most conservative elements for six years and telling the rest of the country to go to hell (with the exception of the spending).


Dave G., if you did some checking on past elections, you would learn that the 6th year of two-term presidential administrations on average loses even more seats than the Republicans lost yesterday. That's just a fact.

So, despite the fact that the radical left base of the Democratic party is in high gear with their hatred for this president, and despite the fact that a very high percentage of the MSM votes Democratic and gifts them with more favorable coverage while dumping on the Republicans, and despite the fact that Americans are discouraged that the progress in Iraq is slower than we had hoped, and that the MSM is busy 24/7 with their negative coverage, it seems that all in all, we could have lost a lot more seats than we actually did. All those negatives, and the Dems couldn't even do as well as they should have, all things considered.

So, yes, Dave. I am writing this with a straight face, because it is what I believe. Don't tell me that this administration has been responsive to its conservative base. For way too long it's been ignoring our demands to do something about the border. We don't want a comprehensive immigration plan until the borders are secured. You don't start bailing until you plug up the hole in the boat.

They've ignored us on the border issue. They ignored the conservatives on spending. They've given us too little, too late. At first, the President even seemed to need a little help in getting his Supreme Court appointments right.

So if you say he's pandered to the right, then I'd love to know where you stand on issues such as illegal immigration, borders and spending, Dave. Are you all for out and out amnesty for illegals? And would you give them Social Security benefits that you or I wouldn't be entitled to if we broke the law the way they did?

Not that your party would be any better on any of these issues. I know they'd be even worse. But I'm talking about my party, and on certain issues, President Bush just did not govern as a true conservative, for the obvious reason. He isn't one.

Your party won back the majority with......nothing. No plans. No answers. Are they going to pull out of Iraq the way you guys want them to? That remains to be seen. Howard Dean doesn't seem to be saying that right now. And if they do end up cutting off funding for the war, what will that mean to the brave Iraqi people who have risked their lives by standing on line to vote while suicide bombers were exploding in their midst? What will fill the vacuum we will be leaving if we leave before the job is done?

Well, we shall see what direction our nation will now take. I'm glad you're so optimistic, but I don't see where your confidence in Democrats being ethical and above corruption comes from, as though it's uniquely a Republican thing. But whatever. Keep your illusions if they make you feel good.

One more point. If this election is a referendum on the Iraq war as some of you are saying, how do you explain Joe Lieberman's victory in a blue state over his opponent whose main issue was his opposition to the war? It just doesn't jibe.

4:19 PM  
Anonymous Dave G. said...

Dave G., if you did some checking on past elections, you would learn that the 6th year of two-term presidential administrations on average loses even more seats than the Republicans lost yesterday. That's just a fact.
Actually, average losses is 30 seats. With one race pending, the GOP has lost 29 seats. You also lost 6 Senate seats and didn't pick up any governor races either. You got nothing, which has never happened in the history of the elections. So keep spinning that wheel. You got your asses kicked.

For way too long it's been ignoring our demands to do something about the border.
This part is true. Bush's proposals upset a lot of conservatives there. Indeed.

I'm glad you're so optimistic, but I don't see where your confidence in Democrats being ethical and above corruption comes from, as though it's uniquely a Republican thing.

They're not. Both parties have had corruption issues in the past. But the current rot of the GOP is nearly historic, and people responded to it. And as much as you wanna say the Dems have no plans, in almsot all of these "throw the bums out" elections, it's the same - it's a repudiation of the politics and policies of the president. That's what this was.

7:23 PM  
Anonymous whoop4467 said...

trinity said You don't start bailing until you plug up the hole in the boat.

You must never have been in a boat that sank. The first thing you do is look for your life vest if you have one. What you do second depends upon how fast the boat is filling up. The second thing you do is start bailing if you do not know where the leak is. Looking for the hole in a boat full of water (especially if the water is not clear)is a waste of time.

The best solution is to fully inspect the boat and keep it repaired at all times. This also goes for immigration. If we had been inspecting the border properly starting with Reagan's Administration (Since they were the last administration that tried to do something about it), enforced the laws against hiring the illegals and funded the border states properly the problem would be less severe now. Trying to plug a hole in a sinking ship by your analogy after the water is neck high is too late.

As you may remember, immigration issues are about the only thing which you and I have a close agreement.

I may never have told you before but my economic well being has always been better during a Democrat Administration,from the days that I completed my college education until now.

9:34 PM  
Anonymous trinity said...

Dave G. said...
"This part is true. Bush's proposals upset a lot of conservatives there. Indeed."


Just the conservatives? I wonder why liberals weren't upset by Bush's proposals?

11:01 PM  
Anonymous trinity said...

David G. said...
"Actually, average losses is 30 seats."


In the 6th year? I had heard the average losses were 40.3 seats in the House, and 6.6 seats in the Senate.

11:12 PM  
Anonymous trinity said...

whoop4467 said...
"Trying to plug a hole in a sinking ship by your analogy after the water is neck high is too late."


Okay, you don't care for my analogy. Then how about this one? You have a major leak in your bathtub/shower plumbing behind the wall, and you want to do some work such as new bath tiles and wallpaper. Do you first do the aestheticly pleasing work? Or do you first fix the leak behind the wall? There, is that any better? :rolleyes:

How does it make any sense to agree to amnesty of one sort or another, while the number of people illegally pouring across our borders increases in anticipation of such amnesty?

Answer is, it doesn't. It's foolish, and nobody with a brain is buying it, but those with an agenda are loving it. It makes most fair-minded people very angry, and for their own respective reasons, neither party ever wants to address the issue. The only ones with the balls to confront it head-on were the Republicans with spines in the House. And for what, now that the majority went to the Dems?

11:25 PM  
Anonymous trinity said...

whoop 4467 said...
"As you may remember, immigration issues are about the only thing which you and I have a close agreement."


Well, nice to know we can agree on something. How would you feel about your 12-year-old daughter if you had one, being given an abortion without you or her mother ever being notified beforehand? As a parent, I'd be a bit upset. Is that something else we can agree on? Or not?

What about the bogus eminent domain BS that is going on all over our country? If you had a home on a nice piece of property, would it bother you to have the local government come in and take it from you, not to put in a road or a school or some public project like that, but to hand it over to some private firm to build nicer homes or pricey shops on it, because it would yield higher tax revenue for the town?

Come on, whoop. I think you might be a lot more conservative on some issues than you let on. Then again, who knows? Perhaps you really are a lib through and through.

11:35 PM  
Anonymous trinity said...

whoop4467 said...
"I may never have told you before but my economic well being has always been better during a Democrat Administration,from the days that I completed my college education until now.


Any idea why that might be whoop?

11:38 PM  
Anonymous Dave G. said...

Just the conservatives? I wonder why liberals weren't upset by Bush's proposals?

Give this a rest. You were talking about the conservative base. You asserted Bush was tacking away from his base and I said he wasn't, and on this issue, you're right, he did, surely. OK? Good grief.

In the 6th year? I had heard the average losses were 40.3 seats in the House, and 6.6 seats in the Senate.
It's 30 seats on average. Plus, it's a small sample size anyway - you've got only 6 to 8 presidents who served 2 terms in the last century as it was; it's hardly definitive statistical data. But it's bout 30 seats.

11:58 PM  
Anonymous TwoSparkles said...

Will all of the criminal thugs be on CNN, now?

I'm a nobody, and I have more credibility than Tom DeLay. The thug was thrown out
of the Senate, and his seat was defeated by a Democrat. The man is a criminal.

Why on Earth is CNN propping him up, and asking his opinion about anything? Why
is his blathering worth listening to?

This is a disgrace.

Tom DeLay has a sense of entitlement. His crimes are a non-issue with him, because
he's such a thug. However, he seems to think that he's still a player. CNN is enabling
DeLay's criminal behavior--and his bloated sense of self importance--by allowing him to
appear on the air.

Maybe they'll give Mark Foley his own afternoon talk show?

1:01 PM  
Anonymous trinity said...

TwoSparkles said...
"I'm a nobody, and I have more credibility than Tom DeLay. The thug was thrown out
of the Senate, and his seat was defeated by a Democrat. The man is a criminal."


Dufus, Tom DeLay has not been convicted of anything. Therefore, moron, he is not a criminal.

Neither was he thrown out of the Senate. First off, he's not a Senator, he's a Congressman. The Republicans, unlike the Democrats, imposed upon themselves stringent rules saying that if a Congressman (Republican) is indicted for any reason, they will voluntarily leave the House.

And as we all know, a ham sandwich can be indicted. Most of the ethic charges against DeLay have been dropped already, as they were obviously political and bogus to begin with. The partisan Texas D.A. was on a witchhunt.

But whatever. The damage has already been done. The Republican House lost the strong, effective leadership it had in DeLay, and that contributed to their losing their majority status.

2:22 PM  
Anonymous Dave G. said...

The Republicans, unlike the Democrats, imposed upon themselves stringent rules saying that if a Congressman (Republican) is indicted for any reason, they will voluntarily leave the House.

BWAAA! Actually, they were all set to pass a rule deleting this old rule until the public furor caused them to realize they were crazy. This idea you have that somehow Delay was a bastion of honesty and ethical behavior is ridiculous.

4:38 PM  
Anonymous whoop4467 said...

Trinity we agree somewhat close on immigration and totally on the eminent domain BS. I say enforce the illegal hiring laws on the books and that will decrease the border crossing for jobs. I also say that our government should provide some incentives to Mexico to increase their part in helping to stop the illegals. IMO, this is one of many things that the repukes give a lot of lip service to, but do nothing about it (like boasting of support for the troops and the war but not performing any real action to back it up).

On the notification issue, I did not know the age was 12 when a female could get an abortion without parental notification. I thought it was 16 or 17 years old. But one question I would have about any under 18 year old still under parental care wanting an abortion is, was it the father that raped her and got her pregnant? If that was the case, then I am not so sure his notification or permission would be needed. My experience or involement in this area is zero. I do have two daughters but never encountered this problem with them or their friends.

8:55 PM  

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