Monday, November 06, 2006

In Latest Display Of Empty Conservative Spin Trumping Scientific Fact, Fox's Wallace Falsely Claims Missouri Initiative Would Allow Human Cloning

The Missouri Senate race is neck-and-neck. It would be a shame if empty conservative spin helped decide the victor.

Sadly, Fox News Channel's Chris Wallace, on yesterday's edition of Fox News Sunday, did his part to push that spin, falsely claiming that a state ballot initiative on embryonic stem cell research would allow human cloning.

The Missouri ballot initiative clearly prohibits human cloning and makes it a felony crime. The initiative reads, “No person may clone or attempt to clone a human being.” The amendment does protect somatic cell nuclear transplant (SCNT), but medical researchers say that it is not possible for SCNT to be used for human cloning, despite Wallace’s claim. Furthermore, the Missouri initiative outlines rules prohibilting such an undertaking.

Scare tactics on the eve of an election, which would clearly help the Republican candidate? Say it isn't so.

Here's the back-and-forth between Wallace and McCaskill yesterday:

WALLACE: Stem cell research is a big issue in your campaign as it is in several around the country, and it’s particularly true in Missouri because there’s a constitutional amendment on the ballot that your opponent points out would allow some forms of human cloning. You support that measure.

McCASKILL: I do. But I disagree with Sen. Talent’s analysis. As a lawyer looking and reading the measure, it is very clear that it strictly prohibits human cloning. In fact, it provides a legal framework with sound ethical guidelines for this kind of research which frankly we don’t have in Missouri right now. So not only would it make sure the research could go forward in Missouri as long as it was legal at the federal level, it also will provide a much needed ethical and legal framework for this research that all of us want in Missouri and frankly all of us want in America.

WALLACE: But, Mrs. McCaskill, the ballot measure provides for something — this gets technical — provides for something called somatic cell nuclear transfer, which is a form of therapeutic cloning. Isn’t that a slippery slope if you get into any kind of cloning at all?

McCASKILL: Well, the bottom line is you are not going to get a baby out of a petri dish. This measure, which we don’t have right now, strictly prohibits any implantation of any cells in order for a human being to be created.

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Wallace either does not understand the science at hand, or doesn't care. That's an unfortunate trend of late within the conservative media, not far removed from recent ignorant comments on the subject from radio ranters Rush Limbaugh or Mark Levin, or the misinformation on brain death provided by Sean Hannity and Joe Scarborough, or Limbaugh making up "facts" to argue against global warming.

Here's the theme, in case you missed it: Science isn't the issue; this is personal. Wallace implies Senate Candidate Claire McCaskill is a liar. Limbaugh suggests embyronic stem cell reserach advocate Michael J. Fox is a liar. Hannity and Scarborough bring on guests to say that Michael Schiavo is a liar. Limbaugh makes fun of Al Gore, in order to suggest he is a liar.

By steering the conversation into a personal attack, the conservative media pushes its listeners or viewers to not consider actual facts, but to make gut decisions based, at least in part, on emotion. That can take the form of laughing along with Limbaugh as he imitates Fox, or getting angry at Michael Schiavo for what amounts to nothing more than unsubstantiated rumors that did not hold up in court or after Terri Schiavo's autopsy.

In the case of Wallace's misinformation on the Missouri ballot initiative, let's hope Missouri voters can see through the empty conservative spin.

32 Comments:

Anonymous whoop4467 said...

Would you guess that Trinity really thinks that repukes live by a high moral standard?? Telling lies and making fun of peoples illness I guess exempts repukes from the high moral value index according to Trinity and I am sure by all of the perverted repukes on this blog!!

2:19 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

whoop stop your own lies. Who lied and made fun of someones illness. Go back down into your mothers basement and look at you child porn.

7:51 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Didnt Michael J Fox admit to not reading what he was supporting. Talk about deaf, dumb and blind sheep.

9:06 AM  
Anonymous Dave G. said...

anonymous, once again wins the award for most incoherent statement. That's seven weeks running! Way to go!

9:35 AM  
Blogger thewaronterrible said...

The Republicans, hypocrites, by their actions indicate they do not really care about the truth on issues centering around the health or morality of people.
They only care about such issues to the extent they unsettle their conservative base against "liberals."

Unfortunately, working the phones for Moveon.org the last few days, calling people in toss-up states and urging them to vote for the Democratic candidate, I heard from fellow members who called people in Virginia to repeatedly hear, "Yes I am uncomfortable about the direction of the country. I am unhappy with the Republicans in congress and the Iraq situation. But I could never vote for Webb OR ANY DEMOCRAT because I do not want my son or daughter to grow up to be a homosexual."

It is STILL an unfortunate reality that many people in the red states appear to base their entire vote on this single issue.

9:55 AM  
Anonymous Angelina's Evil Twin said...

Anonymous said...
whoop stop your own lies. Who lied and made fun of someones illness. Go back down into your mothers basement and look at you child porn.

>>

Limbaugh, LAUGHING AT Fox's Parkinson's symptoms. There's a link to the video in the story.

It's called READING COMPREHENSION, people.

1:04 PM  
Anonymous trinity said...

Angelina's Evil Twin said...
"Limbaugh, LAUGHING AT Fox's Parkinson's symptoms. There's a link to the video in the story."


First off, as someone who actually listened to Rush's program in real time, I can say with certainty that Rush was NOT laughing at Michael Fox's Parkinson's symptoms or disease. That is such a bald-faced lie, it's barely worth addressing.

Secondly, that video clip is a disgrace, since for effect, it quite obviously loops a mere two or three seconds of Rush demonstrating for his webcam customers what he was seeing Fox do in the tv ad, and makes it look a hundred times worse that what it was. It's dishonest of David to use that clip on JABBS to represent an accurate portrayal of what Rush is being accused of doing. Shame on you, David. I thought you were anti-spin. NOT!

1:40 PM  
Anonymous Angelina's Evil Twin said...

Rush FLOPS HIS ARMS WILDLY to MAKE FUN of Fox's symptoms. He ACCUSES Fox of MISREPRESENTING his symptoms.

Would you be more CRITICAL if Limbaugh went "DOHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH" to describe someone who was mentally retarded?

Instead of shaming DAVID, shame RUSH for his IGNORANCE, STUPIDITY and REFUSAL TO ADMIT HE'S WRONG!!!

2:04 PM  
Anonymous trinity said...

whoop4467 said...
"Would you guess that Trinity really thinks that repukes live by a high moral standard??"


I think you're obsessed with trinity. lol

2:11 PM  
Anonymous acmavm said...

Chris Wallace is lying scum. What happened? Did the genes mutate?

2:15 PM  
Anonymous nickinSTL said...

He's just repeating the same anti-science BS the opponents of the initiative here in MO have been saying.

They keep lying and saying that it would allow human cloning and the buying and selling of human eggs...both of which are specifically banned in the text of the amendment.

Here is the full text from the MO Secretary of State election web site:

http://www.sos.mo.gov/elections/2006petitions/ppStemCell.asp

2:15 PM  
Anonymous longship said...

Who watches Faux anymore?
Their viewer base is dwindling, increasingly becoming only monolithic Kool-Aid drinkers. Their influence is likewise dwindling.

2:16 PM  
Anonymous trinity said...

Angelina's Evil Twin said...
"Rush FLOPS HIS ARMS WILDLY to MAKE FUN of Fox's symptoms. He ACCUSES Fox of MISREPRESENTING his symptoms."


That's your own characterization of what Rush was doing. As I said, I heard it live, and what he was doing was giving those watching him an idea of how extreme Fox's symptoms were being displayed in the political ad he made.

And according to Fox himself, he was OVER-medicated when he did the ad. Rush had suggested that he may have been UNDER-medicated, as he deliberately intended to be for example when he appeared before Congress. It was not much of a stretch. Over or under, this was not the way Fox normally appeared in public, which was precisely Rush's point.

2:18 PM  
Blogger thewaronterrible said...

Trinity said. "It's dishonest of David to use that clip on JABBS to represent an accurate portrayal of what Rush is being accused of doing."

Typical Republicans. Always telling people that we cannot believe what we see with our very own eyes. This is true whether it be Rodney King getting beaten up by cops; footage of insurgent violence in Iraq; or Limbaugh clearly mocking an individual's Parkinson symptons.
Geeeez!

2:24 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

As I said, I heard it live>>

Trinity sees through her ears?

4:00 PM  
Anonymous alias: "cutiepie" johnson said...

Trinity, actors who worked with Fox on Boston Public said that what you saw in the commercial was how he is -- that it took all his effort to control his motions for a minute or two at a time for the sake of his scenes.

Doctors quoted in the WaPo said that Fox's symptoms are consistent with patients who have had Parkinson's for 10 years or so, like Fox.

Fox, I believe, was sarcastically retorting to Limbaugh's accusation that Fox was undermedicated. Something like, "If anything, I was overmedicated ..."

Fact is, Limbaugh was insulting. And like Angelina said, if Fox were retarded, Limbaugh would be chastised for saying "Duhh." If Fox had undergone chemo for cancer, Limbaugh would be chastised for making a joke about baldness. If Fox had lost a limb, Limbaugh would be chastised for walking around as if he had a peg leg. You get the picture.

4:28 PM  
Anonymous whoop4467 said...

trinity said...
whoop4467 said...
"Would you guess that Trinity really thinks that repukes live by a high moral standard??"

I think you're obsessed with trinity. lol

Yes, Trinity I respect your intellect and your understanding of the english language. It is your hypocracy that baffles me!! From what I read of your post I think you are someone like Ted Haggard who is living two different lives. You seem to be as patriotic as I am but you support a political process that is doing everything it can to destroy any real honest debate about things that will unite our country and make it continue to grow as the beacon for best type of government in the world. The current Republican agenda is to divide us into aproximately 25 neat categories, un-unite us to put us into those that are with the Republican agenda or not with Republican agenda:
1. Abortion issues that do not solve our security issues, create jobs, improve our education system, solve our immigration issues, solve our social security issues, our medical cost issues(medicare, medicaide, drug cost, health care cost),our health insurance cost issues and fair tax issues for everyone. I wish man had never learned how to abort life, how to commit murder,how to kill by wars and how to be down right mean to another person.

2. Gay marriage issues that is the same as #1. I do not know of any case where a gay or homosexual person has ever affected any part of my life in my 62.5 yrs and to this date I do not know how in the future they will affect it accept by the agenda of Republicans that spends so much time on the subject that all of the other problems are not dealt with.

3. fearmongering instead of speaking of things that we can do to unite and protect us. By republican fearmongering verbage we should be afraid of everything except the agenda of repukes who all live a pure and perfect life.

4. and 22 other categories that are as asinine as the above three.

4:41 PM  
Anonymous Dave G. said...

Trinity, he has fucking Parkinson's, you fool. And I saw Rush's clip, and he's jerking his body all over the place.

Disagree with Fox's position if you like, or even say he's being used by the Dems, or he's ill-informed.

But Rush was saying he's USING HIS DISEASE. So what? So the FUCK what? He has this disease. It's a hell for him. But Rush by doing what he's doing shows his disdain for someone who isn't "normal" and yes, that's all it is. It was a shit thing to say, and a shit thing to not apologize for it. Don't you have any decency, Trinity? At all? I can't believe we even have to discuss whether MJF was fully suffering or not from his disease, and somehow you see Rush's point - that he's "acting" ACTING? as legit.

And is he not allowed to make a point about what he believes in? Besides, he's done commercials for Arlen Specter as well.

Shame on you.

4:43 PM  
Anonymous trinity said...

As stated in the Wikipedia piece that JABBS linked to, there are real concerns that people have with SCNT. These concerns are very real, and people holding these views have the right to hold them without being marginalized just because they don't mesh with your own.

"One concern is that blastula creation in human stem cell research will lead to the reproductive cloning of humans. Both processes use the same first step: the creation of a nuclear transferred embryo, most likely via SCNT. Those who hold this concern often advocate for strong regulation of SCNT to preclude implantation of any derived products for the intention of human reproduction. [11], or its prohibition.[12]

A second concern is the appropriate sourcing of the eggs that are needed. SCNT requires human eggs, which can only be obtained from women. The most common source of these eggs today are eggs that are produced and in excess of the clinical need during IVF treatment. This is a minimally invasive procedure, but it does carry some health risks, such as ovarian hyperstimulation syndrome, and in very rare instances even death."

5:14 PM  
Anonymous trinity said...

thewaronterrible said...
"Typical Republicans. Always telling people that we cannot believe what we see with our very own eyes."


As I've already stated, what you saw with your own eyes was a 2 or 3 second segment of tape which was looped to repeat Rush's gestures over and over and over again. I'm not saying he didn't make any gestures. I'm saying that he did a brief demonstration of what he saw Fox exhibit for those who had not seen the commercial.

5:23 PM  
Anonymous trinity said...

Anonymous said...
"As I said, I heard it live>>

Trinity sees through her ears?"


Why not? Don't you talk out your butt? Yes, Anonymous. Live radio. Real time, not recorded. I was listening to Rush's radio show as he broadcasted, so I know there was no ridiculing or laughing going on as has been alleged here. It was a very serious discussion, and Rush most certainly was not ridiculing Fox.

5:29 PM  
Anonymous trinity said...

Whoop, with regard to your post, I can only say that there really is a very great divide between the things that you seem to truly believe in, and the things that I truly believe in.

Actually, let me re-phrase that because it's not quite accurate. In many cases, I think we are pretty close in the things that we want for this great country, but unfortunately we are at great odds as to the best ways of attaining those things.

I'm not a hypocrite for believing what I believe, any more than you are a hypocrite for believing what you believe. We both want only the best possible future for America, of that I have no doubt.

5:38 PM  
Anonymous trinity said...

Whoop, with regard to all of the issues you mentioned that you would love to see solved, I think it's sad that you really believe that liberals are the only people who want solutions to those problems. That's just not true.

I can tell that you are a good-hearted person, but I can also tell that you are extremely emotional in the way you think, which tends to cloud some of the issues. Conservatives look for practical solutions, not emotional ones.

I agree that the left and the right seem to be further apart than ever before. Hopefully that will change over time, but I'm not holding my breath, since both sides have very different ideas about how to solve problems.

In the meantime, I have no desire to be mean to you. Twot and Anonymous are different stories, however. They don't deserve civility, since they don't ever engage in any themselves. :P

5:59 PM  
Anonymous alias: "cutiepie" johnson said...

I was listening to Rush's radio show as he broadcasted, so I know there was no ridiculing or laughing going on as has been alleged here. It was a very serious discussion, and Rush most certainly was not ridiculing Fox.>>

Rush said that Fox must have been acting, or that he wasn't using his medication. His staff corrected him. He apologized. Then he took the apology back.

The fact that you don't think Rush ridiculed Fox with the flopping arms (and odd facial expression, if you watch the video) doesn't matter, Trinity. A whole slew of Americans, across the political divide, thought that Rush was ridiculing Fox and should have apologized.

6:06 PM  
Anonymous trinity said...

Dave G. said...
"But Rush was saying he's USING HIS DISEASE. So what? So the FUCK what? He has this disease. It's a hell for him.


So nothing, Dave. Rush has said from the beginning that if Michael Fox purposely refrained from taking his medication in order to make more of an impact, as he has done in the past to demonstrate the ravages of his disease, it was his right to do so.

What he was angry with Fox about was that he participated in making a commercial, the script of which was written by Democrats, that implied that Republicans were against stem-cell research that could help find a cure for Parkinsons. That is simply not an honest representation of the Republican stance.

Whoop criticizes Republicans for "fearmongering", yet when his own party engages in fearmongering, he doesn't even appear to notice it. Telling people that Democrats are the only ones who are interested in finding cures for disease is....guess what? Shameless fearmongering, and a pack of lies.

"But Rush by doing what he's doing shows his disdain for someone who isn't "normal" and yes, that's all it is."

Oh please, Dave G. That's such a crock of shit, it's not even worthy of a response. And considering that Rush himself is completely deaf, I have to say that I think I must have missed all of the sympathy that came from the left when they heard the news.

Nor were they sympathetic towards him when it was revealed that he was addicted to pain medication from being treated for years of chronic back pain. So spare me the lectures on compassion, Davey boy. I ain't buying it today.

6:17 PM  
Anonymous Dave G. said...

It isn't a crock of shit. You'd think a person who has dealt with the stuff Rush has would have more compassion for someone else, but he doesn't, because he's a shit of a human being.

And you're still being an apologist, when he said he's "either acting or off his medication." Well, fuck him.

And considering that Rush himself is completely deaf, I have to say that I think I must have missed all of the sympathy that came from the left when they heard the news.
Can you point to an upswell of people making fun of him? Suggesting he's using his condition to make a point? No. Neither can I.

10:38 PM  
Anonymous Dave G. said...

Conservatives look for practical solutions, not emotional ones.

Total bullcrap. Pure and simple. The fear-mongering about the war on terror commercials that feature bin Laden gives lie to that assertion in a heartbeat.

10:39 PM  
Anonymous whoop4467 said...

trinity said... Whoop criticizes Republicans for "fearmongering", yet when his own party engages in fearmongering, he doesn't even appear to notice it. Telling people that Democrats are the only ones who are interested in finding cures for disease is....guess what? Shameless fearmongering, and a pack of lies.

Trinity I never said and no other Democrats said only Democraps want to find cures for diseases, because there is common knowledge that there were repukes that voted for federal funding of Embryonic Stem Cell Research and many repukes( I assume you in this)support it if there is private money to pay for the research. The repukes' hypocritic objection to Embryonic Stem Cell Research is the objection based upon the emotional or political ( not rational or moral) issue of abortion trumpeted by the repukes that an embryo will be destroyed to enhance the effort; but, yet repukes make no objection to the many embryos destroyed by fertiltiy clinics.

I appreciate your astute observation that both of us want the best for America. What puzzles me about the repukes agenda that you support is that if you fully believe in the republican way to solve our problems then you should demand they lay out to the people their solutions in a clear, concise format in a rational way insted of using deceitful tactics, bait and switch tactics, fearmongering tactics, emotional or political issues like abortion, gay marriage, homophobic tactics, and name calling tactics??

It may surprise you to know that I to support a smaller less intrusive governement. In fact I think one of the first federal departments that should go is that of Education. Education should be the sole responsiblity of the State.

The second thing that needs to be done is to start from scratch a whole new tax code written in english to have everyone pay the same % of their earned income and enforce it fairly for all residents in America. I would be open to debating a national sales tax. I wrote such a letter to both Texas Senators in 1973 or thereabouts. I received a form letter from both saying they agreed and would work on it. As an aside, I have written both current Senators about several subjects and not received anything.

I am a proud American first and then a political junkie second!! I have voted split tickets in the past. I do not like it personally, but I have to say that in 2006 I voted early( and often as they say) straight democrat!! I do hope that in 2008 I can find candidates that fit what I want regardless of party affillation. In 2000 I started becoming scared of the Republican agenda and it has become progressively worse for me. I am tired of it now and I want to feel an in-touch, in-tune, sane and safe feeling again.

I will say again, GWB/Cheney to me is the worst President/VP I have ever had to live under and that includes Nixon. Nixon now is getting closer to being not so bad.

11:36 PM  
Anonymous rob of wilmington, del. said...

What he was angry with Fox about was that he participated in making a commercial, the script of which was written by Democrats, that implied that Republicans were against stem-cell research>>

it clearly says that he's supporting people in favor of embyronic stem cell research. it's a republican myth that fox or any other democrats are against adult stem cell research.

nice try at slight of hand, trinity.

12:49 AM  
Anonymous whoop4467 said...

One of these days, hopefully soon, the Christian Right and many other Americans will realize they have been had by the Republican spin machine and by their well planned deceit. When they get tired of being fearmongered into believing that the Republican economic policies will help the poor, the middle income and the upper middle income as opposed to all policies to help the wealthest among us, big business, and special interest groups( like wars, bankruptcy laws that protect big business but not the individual, the new drug bill that helps the drug companies 100X better than the individual, the energy bill for the oil companies, the highway bill for construction companies, logging laws for those companies, no health coverage for many Americans, less money for education, on, and on for a select group of Americans and nothing for those in and below the upper middle income group). Since republicans can not get the votes they need to stay in power by honest peddling of their ideas, they have to use tactics that influence the citizens that are easily manipulated.

They use issues that have no impact upon the economic well being or real safety of the majority of Americans but play on their emotional fears to keep them from even discussing or thinking sanely. Here they are:

1.Abortion - there is no abortion that I am aware of that has ever caused the stock market to crash, to cause the start of a war, to cause a business to go out of business, to cause interest rates to increase or decrease,to cause spread of diseases or any economic crisis. But the phobia of it causes people to vote for Republicans even when it is against their best economic interest.
2. Gays - Same as from #1, except maybe the spread of HIV. HIV also spreads among heterosexuals. Now, this group is projected as the devil incarnate. Really effective for the millions of homophobes.
3. Gay Marriage - same as #1.
4. Terrorist - Yes there are people that want to destroy us, but this has gone on for entire history of our country from different sources, the majority more powerfull than the current group. Most of the scenarious fearmongered are out of the high probablity range, but in the scare the s--t out of you range. If horses had wings, Bush and Cheney could ride off into the sunset and conquer all of our enemies.
5. Fear of Patriotic Americans that do not toe the Republican spin and deceit agenda. Yea, Democrats are going to destroy America worse than does the Republicans.There are many things Democrats want to do, but do with consensus and this frightens the S--t out of Republicans. Not do things just for a select part of American citizens!!

12:09 PM  
Anonymous trinity said...

rob of wilmington, del. said...
"it clearly says that he's supporting people in favor of embyronic stem cell research."


Uh, no rob. You're quite wrong there. He clearly says no such thing. In fact, I challenge you to go review the ad again, and you will see that never once does Michael Fox utter the word, "embyronic".

This is no oversight on the part of those who wrote the ad. They "clearly" wanted to give the false impression to people who aren't paying that much attention, that Sen. Talent not only opposes stem-cell research in general, but even wants to criminalize anyone who tries to expand on it.

Admit it or not, rob, it was a very under-handed, dishonest ad. Oh, and I left out the word "effective".

11:50 PM  
Anonymous trinity said...

whoop4467 said...
"It may surprise you to know that I to support a smaller less intrusive governement. In fact I think one of the first federal departments that should go is that of Education. Education should be the sole responsiblity of the State."


Well good for you, whoop. See? That's another thing we can agree on, although I think you'll find that not too many of your fellow-libs would agree with you on that.

12:55 AM  

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