Thursday, November 16, 2006

Abizaid Admits Shinseki Was Right About Troop Levels In Iraq

The top American military commander for the Middle East, General John Abizaid, publicly admitted yesterday that the American position in Iraq had been undermined by the Bush administration’s decision not to deploy a larger force to stabilize the country in 2003.

That decision came after Gen. Eric K. Shinseki, the Army chief of staff at the time, told Congress that several hundred thousand troops would be needed. His testimony was derided by Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld and contradicted by then-undersecretary Paul Wolfowitz, and the general was ostracized at the Pentagon before his retirement a few months later.

General Shinseki was right that a greater international force contribution, U.S. force contribution and Iraqi force contribution should have been available immediately after major combat operations,” Abizaid said. “I think you can look back and say that more American troops would have been advisable in the early stages of May, June, July.”

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Someone owes Shinseki an apology, big-time.

19 Comments:

Anonymous whoop4467 said...

The other point not made was that we needed more troops to search for the WMDs not found! We knew they had WMDs because Rumsfeld/Cheney/Bush still had the receipts from all of the sales made to Saddam during Reagan's Administration!

Repukes really love and support our troops to the extent they do not send enough troops to do the job correctly and with all the proper armor and proper equipment!

To top all of the errors in the invasion and post invasion planning is the lack of any oversight by the repuke congress and no accountability from the repuke citizens. Repukes that think Bush is king are afraid to tell the emperor he has no clothes on! This also tells me that repukes favor wasting our tax dollars instead of spending it wisely.

12:15 PM  
Anonymous MrToffeeLovesYa said...

The fact that Shinseki said we needed more troops in 2003 is really irrelevant at this point, and I'm surprised that Gen. Abizaid would make such an admission.

C'mon liberals, 2003 was almost four years ago. The world has changed since then. The Iraq we know now is much different than the Iraq we knew then, and in the time it takes you to read this, Iraq is changing still.

Democrats want to review and investigate all the decisions made leading into Iraq. But what are they really going to find? Some smoking gun saying "We know there are no WMDs, but this is the best chance we'll have to get rid of Saddam?" If that memo existed, given all the leaks, wouldn't Raw Story have published it by now? It'd be a gold mine for the Democrats. But they haven't, because that memo doesn't exist. Pow!

The best the Democrats can hope for is to find more proof that the Bush Administration ignored some of the advice it was given -- the advice that said don't go to Iraq, Iraq has no ties to Al Qaeda, Iraq doesn't really pose that big a threat, Iraq is contained, Iraq isn't trying to reconstitute its weapons campaign, etc. But so what? A majority of Americans alredy think that the Bush Administration ignored that kind of information -- that's why a majority of Americans voted for Democrats this month. Bam!

Wake up and smell the reality, liberals. The Democrats can only hurt themselves by coming across as a bunch of Keystone Cops, pointing fingers as they investigate and investigate some more. They would be doing the Republicans a favor, yes, by not embarrassing them further, but they would also be doing them a favor by giving Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity and all their friends a chance to say, "See, we told you so."

Keep your eyes on the ball, liberal America. The best action is to stay the course, ride the wave, and then point fingers come election 2008. Don't rock the boat by looking back. Ride the wave by looking forward.

The truth is no one wants to be governed by tattletales. They want to be governed by people who can come up with solutions. The ball is in your court, liberal America. You think the Republicans failed. Show them how to play the game right, or take a seat on the bench once again.

1:44 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Crazy Kucinich is calling for cutting off funding for the war in Iraq. Libs will get their wish just like Ted "hiccup" Kennedy got his during Vietnam. Stay tuned for mass genocide just like Cambodia.

2:50 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

ah, anonymous. you certainly add much to the discussion.

go back in your hole, dumbass.

3:00 PM  
Anonymous MannyGoldstein said...

Coming Soon - Abizaid Admits Earth is Round

3:18 PM  
Anonymous Tatiana said...

All of those thugs owe Shinseki an apology!

3:18 PM  
Anonymous Dave G. said...

You think the Republicans failed. Show them how to play the game right, or take a seat on the bench once again.

Here's the deal, Toffee. Will Bush listen? Or will he shut his ears and simply say, "Well, that's not going to work, let's stick with my plan"?

Because if not, investigations and such are all we can do and more, and get after them with more aggressive oversight.

3:27 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Dont like hearing form history or the truth anonymous? Kennedy did, Kucinich said it, anonymous cant deal with it.

3:34 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

anonymous, you take one person and say "you libs." one person, kucinich, who doesn't represent the majority opinion. It'd be like me taking one comment from jesse helms and saying, "you repukes are all racist," or one stupid comment from pete hoekstra and saying "you repukes are all delusional."

it's not debate. it's name-calling. maybe you're not capable of more?

4:11 PM  
Blogger Dave Nalle said...

The fact that Shinseki said we needed more troops in 2003 is really irrelevant at this point, and I'm surprised that Gen. Abizaid would make such an admission.

I believe that - as usual - the author of this piece is taking his Abazaid quote out of context. While he said that troop strength could have been higher at the start of the war, he also said that troop strength was now sufficient and that the situation was improving.

3:29 AM  
Anonymous rob of wilmington, del. said...

Right. The quote above from Abizaid -- a whole paragraph of quote where he says that Shinseki is correct -- absolutely is fabricated.

And the fact that we could watch him say it on the news last night, in context, and get the same impression -- shame on us for our stupidity.

Conservative dunderheads -- trying to play Americans for fools, one American at a time.

10:55 AM  
Anonymous trinity said...

General Abizaid said...
"When I come to Washington, I feel despair. When I'm in Iraq with my commanders, when I talk to our soldiers, when I talk to the Iraqi leadership, they are not despairing."


This is a common theme voiced even by many of the troops upon their return home. It's like there are two different realities. The one the troops there in Iraq are experiencing, and the one that is being reported on by the media, which rarely if ever mentions anything positive.

How can the public get a balanced picture if we never hear about our successes and progress in Iraq?

11:32 PM  
Anonymous Dave G. said...

Shut up. just shut up.

100 civilians dying every day in Iraq. That's 3000 a month. That's 9/11 every month.

Don't gimme this nonsense about balance. This is the situation. Period. Close your eyes to it if you wish.

10:53 AM  
Anonymous trinity said...

Dave G. said...
"Shut up. just shut up.

100 civilians dying every day in Iraq. That's 3000 a month. That's 9/11 every month."


STFU yourself, Dave G. Those are Muslims who are killing fellow-Muslims in Iraq. And guess what? That was happening under Saddam Hussein as well. Dumb schumck.

12:32 PM  
Anonymous trinity said...

That's "schmuck".

12:32 PM  
Anonymous Dave G. said...

Nah. Sorry. You think we haven't unleashed this? You hold us blameless? These are civilians. Lots of them. 150,000 by some estimates. And you wanna hear about schools being painted, and close your eyes to reality, and convince yourself we're right because we're "not as bad as Saddam," as if that's a standard to live up to.

Gimme a break.

1:39 PM  
Anonymous whoop4467 said...

trinity said...
General Abizaid said...
"When I come to Washington, I feel despair. When I'm in Iraq with my commanders, when I talk to our soldiers, when I talk to the Iraqi leadership, they are not despairing."

This is a common theme voiced even by many of the troops upon their return home. It's like there are two different realities. The one the troops there in Iraq are experiencing, and the one that is being reported on by the media, which rarely if ever mentions anything positive.


Trinity are you sitting at the homes of the few returning troops (most are not returning because they are doing 3-4 tours because of low enlistment and lack of support for this war) to ask them how things are going? What about what a majority of the retired generals who served in Iraq have said about how things are going? They are in the know better than the enlisted guys and certainly what you know! Why have the majority of books written about the Iraq War been so negative? Can you give a reference link to a blog where a returning vet talks all positive about Iraq?

Reality is reality, but hiding in the sand to not hear or see the truth is not experiencing reality.
I would love to hear about postive things and for it to be over with success!!. If you want to feel better about the fiasco in Iraq and can not handle the truth, then continue drinking whatever your drinking or continue smoking whatever your smoking. I rather live in reality and the reality is that Iraq is a huge blunder. When it becomes positive I will live in the positive.

2:07 PM  
Anonymous trinity said...

whoop4467 said...
"Can you give a reference link to a blog where a returning vet talks all positive about Iraq?"


Most of the soldiers I hear from are guests on radio and tv, whoop. And I never said that they talk "all positive" about Iraq. I've said that there is a lot of positive news that never gets reported on. Obviously, the mission is an extremely difficult one.

The Washington Post did some interviews with the troops recently. Here's the link for that.

"This is a worthwhile endeavor," said Maj. Gen. Benjamin Mixon, commander of Multinational Division North and the 25th Infantry Division. "Nothing that is worthwhile is usually easy, and we need to give this more time for it to all come together. We all want to come home, but we have a significant investment here, and we need to give the Iraqi army and the Iraqi people a chance to succeed."

http://tinyurl.com/yfblxw

7:52 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Trinity said the same things two years ago. She would say the same things two years from now even if conditions remain the same on top of thousands more soldiers are dead, tens of thousands more permanently crippled, hundreds of billions of dollars more spent.
People like this placing blind faith in the representation of their leaders contrary to all evidences showing otherwise in dragging a country down are exactly what are founders warned us about.

8:57 AM  

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