Monday, October 09, 2006

You Can't Make This Stuff Up ...

"More than half of (Vice President Dick) Cheney's fundraisers in this two-year cycle have been behind closed doors. Even at a lunchtime speech to Wisconsin Republican donors that was open to reporters, gubernatorial candidate Rep. Mark Green did not stand on stage, ensuring no pictures of the two together on the news, and some other Republican candidates did not attend at all.

But White House aides said it would be a mistake to underestimate Cheney even now. Although he is viewed favorably by just 34 percent of the public in the most recent Wall Street Journal/NBC poll, he remains a champion of conservatives ..."
-- Washington Post, Oct. 8

18 Comments:

Anonymous trinity said...

David R. Mark said...
"he remains a champion of conservatives ..."


Absolutely. I love both the Cheneys. They're very decent people.

1:07 PM  
Anonymous rob of wilmington, del. said...

Trinity, you have drunk the Kool-Aid for too long.

Cheney said "there is no doubt" there are WMD in Iraq. He said the U.S. would be greeted as liberators. He said the insurgency was in its "last throes," then a year later lied about what he meant when he said that. When numerous reports said that there was no tie between Saddam and Al Qaeda, he said he hadn't read the reports (which seems implausible). On more than one occasion, President Bush has had to publicly correct something Cheney was saying at fund-raiser after fund-raiser. During the 2004 presidential race, Cheney suggested that voting for Kerry would open the U.S. up to an attack worse than 9/11 -- he said it as definitive fact. More recently, he has suggested that Democrats who support a gradual withdrawal from Iraq -- a policy supported by Gen. George Casey as well as an increasing number of Republicans -- would "embolden the terrorists."

Those are not decent things to say.

Why do you think the Cheneys are decent people? Do you know them personally, or are you basing your thoughts on things that you have been told by Mark Levin and the folks at Fox News? Just wondering how you came to this insight.

1:16 PM  
Blogger thewaronterrible said...

Excellent list of Cheney's verbal expressions of denial, delusion and incompetence (terrifyingly enough reflecting Bush Administration policy), but you neglected to mention a very important one.
Last month on Meet The Press Cheney said if he had to do the Iraq invasion and removal of Sadaam all over again, he would do it all "exactly the same way."
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14720480/page/4/

So you were saying Trinity?

4:11 PM  
Anonymous trinity said...

Not all Americans have fallen for the libs' relentless and ludicrous mantra that Bush, Cheney, Rice, Rumsfeld etc. all lied, rob.

I'll be perfectly happy to allow the history books to sort out all of this partisan nonsense, once the issues are removed from the politically charged environment of current events.

I don't think it will surprise you much to know that a good percentage of the American people strongly believe that it is your own side who are thirstily gulping down the Kool-Aid. Not us.

"Why do you think the Cheneys are decent people? Do you know them personally, or are you basing your thoughts on things that you have been told by Mark Levin and the folks at Fox News?

Tell me, rob, do you base your gut feelings about individuals from what you hear people from CNN or Al Franken tell you to think about them? I mean, how silly of you. I'm having a difficult time even processing your question, it's that inane.

I don't know your age, but I pictured you being thirty-something. Am I mistaken there? Or are you still in your teens, with minimal life experience and an under-developed sense of good judgement? I have to wonder.

4:12 PM  
Anonymous trinity said...

thewaronterrible said...
"So you were saying Trinity?"


I was saying, or at least thinking, that just like back in 2000 when Bush/Cheney won the election, I am so grateful and relieved that once again the grownups are in charge of our nation.

And I know you guys too well not to be aware of the effect those words are going to have on you, so go to it and throw your hissy fit. I won't be posting on this particular thread any longer, but don't let that stop you. :)

4:17 PM  
Blogger thewaronterrible said...

So Trinity reduces the entire issue of Cheney distortions and misstatements on Iraq, as documented and reported in the BIPARTISAN MEDIA into "partisan nonsense" that the history books will have to sort out.
Trinity your responses offer no support for your view that Cheney is a decent person.
We have more of the usual Republican subterfuge and obfuscation when they do not have an argument.

4:38 PM  
Anonymous Dave G. said...

I don't think it will surprise you much to know that a good percentage of the American people strongly believe that it is your own side who are thirstily gulping down the Kool-Aid. Not us.
It doesn't surprise me, per se. But they're wrong for sure. I notice you didn't address anything that Rob pointed out -- all events, all factual, all documented. None of which have been embellished by "liberal sources," or anything like that. They're all DIRECT QUOTES. But of course, as we know, truth has a well-known liberal bias.

I don't know your age, but I pictured you being thirty-something. Am I mistaken there? Or are you still in your teens, with minimal life experience and an under-developed sense of good judgement? I have to wonder.
Nice. And then you call him immature. After he presents, essentially, 7-8 examples of things Cheney said that truly suck. But your best response is to call people names. Very decent of you.

I was saying, or at least thinking, that just like back in 2000 when Bush/Cheney won the election, I am so grateful and relieved that once again the grownups are in charge of our nation.
This president is a man-child. He's not a grownup. I could care less in 2008 whether we elect someone like, hell, even John McCain, but at least he's an adult. I'd prefer a Democrat, but him, Hagel, Guiliani, they're adults, at least.

And I know you guys too well not to be aware of the effect those words are going to have on you, so go to it and throw your hissy fit.
Can you give us conditions for the hissy fit? We need to know what it entails. Stomping our feet? Crying? Or just screwing up our faces all mealy-mouthed and mushlike, sort of how the President does it?

I won't be posting on this particular thread any longer, but don't let that stop you. :)
Is that a threat or a promise? :) :) :)

4:42 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Rob, the old lib talking points are getting stale. There were WMDs, just like every European country stated and every democrap stated. They are in Libya. (Interesting way of spelling that country) We were greeted as liberators. I guess you missed the celebrations after Baghdad fell. Very easy to miss them because the MSM didnt really want to show it.

As far as the attack thing if Kerry was elected. That was sort of proven during the Clinton years. Lots of attacks no great response.

As far as the Cheneys as good people. Some people have a knack for reading people. You can tell a lot about a person as how they act. Yes the Cheneys in my heart are good people. As are the Bush's. They care about the security of this country and have proven that time and again.

I know you are going to have a little smart ass remark for this post because there is nothing else in lib land to do but be pessimistic. You see some people can read people.

8:28 AM  
Anonymous Dave G. said...

More brain-dead anonymous nonsense, especially after the pro-war coverage that existed for a long time during the run-up to and after the initial invasion.

What's happening in Iraq now, boss? Lots of celebrations, right?

There were WMDs, just like every European country stated and every democrap stated.
We didn't find anything of significance. Mostly smaller weapons that were either spent, or the kind of things that had been there since the first Persian Gulf war, or smaller quantities of stuff that Saddam could have used on his neighbors, chemical weapons, that kind of thing. We didn't go to war over chemical weapons. We went to war over the supposed existence of nuclear weapons. They didn't turn up. They didn't exist. You continue to deny reality because you can't accept that your hero may have made a bad decision.

8:50 AM  
Blogger thewaronterrible said...

The Bush Administration's big often stated position in Iraq has been to preemptively stop a threat to America before it can occur.
So how come Bush didn't do anything about North Korea, which now has actually tested a nuclear bomb?
Can Bush still make the statement with a shred of credibility that the U.S. acts to stop a threat to it before it can occur?

The latest development with North Korea more than proves the U.S. has missed the country that REALLY DID have the capability to produce nuclear weapons!
Our ongoing folly over the last more than three years at attempts to thwart the WRONG TARGET has allowed N. Korea's nuclear weapons capabilities to proliferate.
Now our military resources have been so depleted and exhausted in Iraq there's not a lot militarilly we can do about North Korea.
We have catastrophic consequences from the utter failure and incompetence of Bush's foreign policy.
A child could understand it.

Again, would Bush ever again be able to make the pre-emptive war apology about the decision to invade Iraq?
Now that N. Korea has launched a nuclear bomb, could anyone in their right mind actually continue to believe the Bushie Republicans represent the party in leadership that can best protect the U.S. from terrorism?

10:24 AM  
Blogger thewaronterrible said...

"There were WMDs, just like every European country stated and every democrap stated," said
annoy-o-mous above.
Empty, right-wing historical spin.
Fact: There existed at the time, prior to the invasion of Iraq, plenty of well-known and documented dissention on the WMD question in Iraq among intelligence and weapons experts located around the globe.
As more proof, UN weapons inspectors were still searching for the WMDs in Iraq -- and would have been allowed to complete their inspections -- had Bush not had stopped them so he would have an excuse to invade.

11:00 AM  
Anonymous Ditto said...

The naive certitude, paranoia and blatant racism of the Righty posters here never ceases to make me laugh... and cringe.

Ahhh, ignorance must be bliss.

12:32 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Yeah Dave you are just so right all the time. As soon as something starts going bad you had better bail out on it. Well sorry little man, I am a big man and I dont do those type of things. Just because this war in Iraq isnt going like we want it to, I am not going to turn my back om my president or my military. You see Davey there is this little thing libs know nothing about and that is faithfulness.

So since we havent found anything of signifcance means we didnt find anything at all? Which also means he didnt have anything? Its amazing you aint dizzy from all the spinning you do.

1:34 PM  
Anonymous rob of wilmington, del. said...

As far as the attack thing if Kerry was elected. That was sort of proven during the Clinton years. Lots of attacks no great response.>>

That might be one of the dumbest statements I've ever read. Incoherent in terms of logic, and factually inaccurate to boot.

1:36 PM  
Anonymous Dave G. said...

I am not going to turn my back om my president or my military. You see Davey there is this little thing libs know nothing about and that is faithfulness.

I believe what you're referring to is called "blind faith."

Are you in Iraq right now?

2:21 PM  
Blogger thewaronterrible said...

Another anonymous (or is it the same one) said above:
"because this war in Iraq isnt going like we want it to, I am not going to turn my back om my president or my military."

Hey, it's worth noting here that the Bush Republicans have made a bit of progress. Let's give them some credit here.
They have FINALLY for the first time after all this time after all the endless parade of facts acknowledging that the Iraq War is going badly.

One small step for man. One larger step for mankind.

2:54 PM  
Anonymous Widget said...

Dave Girly-Man,

Are YOU in Iraq?

3:47 PM  
Anonymous Dave G. said...

I'm not in Iraq, putz. I'm asking anonymous if he is, because he's saying he's not going to turn his back on the president. If he's fighting in Iraq, that makes sense. If he's at home typing on his keyboard, that statement doesn't make any sense.

Do you understand now? Is it getting through that mallet?

3:49 PM  

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