Friday, October 13, 2006

If Baker's Commission Proposes Redeployment, Will Bush Call That "Flexible" Or "Cut And Run?"

A commission formed to assess the Iraq war and recommend a new course has "ruled out the prospect for victory,” according to draft policy options shared with the New York Sun by commission officials.

The 10-member commission — headed by former secretary of state for President George H.W. Bush, James Baker — is considering two option papers, “Stability First” and “Redeploy and Contain,” both of which rule out any prospect of making Iraq a stable democracy in the near term.

The “Redeploy and Contain” option calls for the phased withdrawal of American soldiers from Iraq, though the working groups have yet to say when and where those troops will go.

President Bush noted at his Wednesday press conference that he “supported the idea” of the so-called Iraq Study Group and that he “looks forward to listening” to the commission’s recommendations.

But how will he react if the commission favors phased redeployment?

Bush, during the same press conference, followed a recent line of logic from the conservatives: when Democrats discuss redeployment, conservatives quickly label it "cut and run." When the military or fellow Republicans suggest redeployment, no such label is given.

Americans saw this hypocritical stance come into play earlier this year, when Senate Republicans continued to blast legislation from Sens. Carl Levin (D-MI) and Jack Reed (D-RI) even after they knew about a similar gameplan from our top man in Iraq, Gen. George Casey. In August, Casey reaffirmed his belief that troop redeployment could begin in 2007 or 2008.

So it shouldn't be surprising that Bush on Wednesday said this:

BUSH: Well, they may not use cut and run, but they say date certain is when to get out, before the job is done. That is cut and run. Nobody has accused me of having a real sophisticated vocabulary, I understand that. And maybe their -- their words are more sophisticated than mine. But when you pull out before the job is done, that's cut and run as far as I'm concerned. And that's cut and run as far as most Americans are concerned.

But a minute later said this:

BUSH: Senator Warner said, if the plan isn't working, adjust. I agree completely. I haven't seen Baker's report yet, but one of the things I remind you of is that I don't hear those people saying get out before the job is done. They're saying, be flexible. And we are. ... And I trust General Casey. I find him to be one of the really competent, decent guys.

Crystal clear, right? I guess I don't understand Bush's less "sophisticated vocabulary."

On the face of it, it seems Bush is being hypocritical -- falsely portraying the Democrats as cowards, to trick a majority of Americans into voting against something they believe in.


Blogger thewaronterrible said...

Bush clearly is delusional, a coward and he's desperate.
I don't think the polls reflect that the majority of America is any longer buying the "cut and run" bullshit against straw men Democrats. Bush's credibility on Iraq has worn thinner than a razor.
The Democrats should put out a clear position paper highlighting the views of Gen. Casey, along with that of prominent generals, politicians and commentators of both political persuasions who have called for a phased exit from Iraq. The paper could be shoved in the face of the Washington D.C. press corps whenever Bush spouts more "cut and run" nonsense.
It's really Bush against -- himself.

12:24 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

How do we get out of Iraq?

7:32 PM  
Blogger thewaronterrible said...

Okay anonymous, there are plenty of ideas out there. John Kerry has detailed a comprehensive plan for getting out of Iraq and George McGovern and William R. Polk recently released an entire book: Out of Iraq: A Practical Plan of Withdrawl.
Oh I forgot. These plans are from Democrats so they must somehow be flawed (sarcasm).
We must continue to stay the course with Bush and the Republicans on Iraq. At least their plans, or lack thereof are not destined to fail, because they already have.

9:12 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

His comprehensive plan calls for giving the Iraq government a deadline to get their act together. I dont know if that will work. Why would you want to give the enemy that info? All they have to do is be patient and wait. Then they take over. Next plan please. And I hope it doesnt come from someone who shot himself in the ass with rice.

4:50 PM  
Anonymous Dave G. said...

why do you hate the troops, anonymous?

9:42 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Dave, you have me confused with John Lard Ass Murtha. I love my military and I dont want to see their sacrifices to be in vain. I want them to finish the job that they have started and the job they know is a nobel cause. You people are the ones who hate the military. You prove it everyday with your actions. Back during the Viet Nam days you and your ilk would spit on them. You wised up a little and realized that kind of action hurts your so called cause. So now you say, "We support the troops, bring them home." Yet they know they are doing the right thing, and you would rather have them listen to your talking points and when they dont your hatred of them increases. So before you accuse me of hating the greatest military in the world you should take a hard look in the mirror and ask yourself the same question.

11:14 AM  
Anonymous Dave G. said...

If you love the military so much why do you make fun of some of those who have made sacrifices by serving in it?

I love my military and I dont want to see their sacrifices to be in vain.

And your solution is to continue to support policies that is doing just that.

12:36 PM  
Anonymous whoop4467 said...

Anonymous said...
His comprehensive plan calls for giving the Iraq government a deadline to get their act together. I dont know if that will work. Why would you want to give the enemy that info? All they have to do is be patient and wait. Then they take over. Next plan please. And I hope it doesnt come from someone who shot himself in the ass with rice.
How do we get out of Iraq?

Can you answer how many troops have to die before we have really shown our support for the troops??

Also what is wrong with pulling the troops out to Turkey, to Kuwait or to Afghanistan( which is really the war on those that attacked us on 9/11) until the civil war is over in Iraq. If it is then necesssary to return to Iraq, then we can return. Staying the curent course is not working and is wasting $2 billion per week, plus American lives are being lost and our presence is actually exacerbating the situation. And we heard your same spin continuesly during Vietnam days regarding communism that if we pulled out we would be over run with commies who were much stronger militarily then than the "terrorist" are today. The proportionality of the threat from the "terrorist" is overblown compared to our own self internal destruction due to watering down of our democracy due to the constant fearmongering.

Besides with the civil war going on in Iraq, as many people are being killed now in Iraq that were killed while Saddam was in power. So now the difference is the Iraques are killing themselves freely and voting for it as opposed to being killed by a dictator. Death and misery is still death and misery no matter how it happens.

As far as my military service, I was serving in the Army from Jan 1969 to Jan 1971 ( and my brother who served two years , losing a leg and was exposed to "agent orange", now deceased)while many people of your chickenhawk persuasion were doing everthing they could to avoid serving. Guys like you rant and rave about having wars, 99% having never experienced one and then want the other guy to fight them for you. Wars are started by the rich and powerfull for the benefit of the rich and powerfull, but fought by the poor and middle class.

Maybe you Anonymous( nameless repuke) could enlist in the Army or Marine, go to Iraq, kill a few terrorist and come back as the "Audie Murphy" of the Iraq War!!! As a patriot you should do this: "Uncle Sam needs you"!

12:54 AM  
Blogger thewaronterrible said...

Now we are having the discussion we should have had two or three years ago.
Y'know, the time when anyone who questioned Bush's stay the course strategy was instantly squashed beneath a boulder of right-wing accusations of being either politically-motivated towards Kerry (whew! that was such a terrible thing!), or anti-patriotic and pro-terrorists.
We still hear these kind of charges from Republican Bush apologists, but in light of the long list of revealations since then showing Republican/Bush propaganda that overall had the effect of buying additional time to yank America along on Iraq, these cries have indeed grown faint and hollow.
History shows the rightful discussion of an Iraq exit strategy has been SUPPRESSED for more than two years, with assistance of the MSM, beneath Right-Wing Bushie lying propaganda.
This is the reason why more than a thousand additional soldiers have had to die. This is the reason tens of thousands of additional Iraqi citizens have had to die. This is the reason hundreds of billions of additional U.S. dollars have had to be wastefully spent at the cost to future generations of Americans.
I hope you Republicans are satisfied.

11:58 AM  
Anonymous whoop4467 said...

thewaronterrible said...
Now we are having the discussion we should have had two or three years ago.

I hope and pray you are right. Can you imagine if our framers of the constitution had never sat down and talked things over with the goal of unity in mind. Thank God the current philosophy of repukes was not prevalent in 1790-1791.

I am still very impressed with our founding fathers' vision and so very thankfull to them.

3:33 PM  
Anonymous whoop4467 said...

I will admit two things about Bush:

He has learned to depend upon his military generals for their opinions about some things in Iraq (flip-flopper, but a good thing). I just wish he had that same vision before the invasion. The learning process causes people to flip-flop.

He has learned that diplomacy has benefits, even if out of necessity. Again, I wish he had the same vision before the invasion of Iraq and allowed the diplomacy to work there. Another example of being a wothwhile flip-flopper due to the learning process.

Too bad he can not serve another term so he could learn one more thing, maybe! It could raise his IQ above that of a plant!

5:53 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

What did America learn?
It is not wise to forgoe a long-time accomplished Washington D.C. politician and actual war veteran, whose record includes more than a decade of hands-on foreign policy experience (take either Gore or Kerry) in favor of a four-time failed businessman, a mediocre governor with ZERO experience in foreign affairs, a chicken-hawk, an inarticulate stooge appointed and controlled by small band of radical neocons, and a chimp.

6:46 PM  

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