Thursday, October 05, 2006

"Death By A Thousand Cuts" For Hastert?

From last night's edition of MSNBC's Countdown:

HOST KEITH OLBERMANN: Late today, a fellow Republican congressman, Mr. Lewis of Kentucky, canceled this fundraising event he has with the speaker, Hastert, next week. The third lead Republican in the House, Mr. Blunt, said he would have handled this differently than Mr. Hastert has. When does this start to qualify as death by a thousand cuts for the speaker?

CORRESPONDENT DAVID SHUSTER: It‘s already started, Keith. And, in fact, tonight, we‘ve been told by every lawmaker, every Republican lawmaker we‘ve called has said that Dennis Hastert will not be the speaker of the House this time next week. Furthermore, some Republicans say that a group of top Republicans in the House have already started talking amongst themselves about which one of them is going to make the call to Denny Hastert or personally fly and see him and make the case that the Republicans simply cannot survive this week with him as speaker, and that he has to step down.

That‘s how serious it is for the Republicans. They say they are dead unless Speaker Hastert resigns in the next week.

Again, Keith, they say the problem is not that Denny Hastert was the speaker of the House at a time when Congressman Foley was having these lewd exchanges with the congressional pages and the former pages, the problem, they say, has been the way that Speaker Hastert and the top leadership handled it this week.

On Monday, Hastert said that he couldn‘t remember the e-mails. Then on Tuesday, he told Rush Limbaugh he suddenly had a memory being refreshed, and that he did remember a contact a year ago. Now it turns out perhaps two years ago. Republicans say the shifting stories, the shifting explanations, that in and of itself is going to cost Denny Hastert his job as speaker.


Anonymous Widget said...

David R. Mark, will we see a post here about the page, Jordon Edmund and his friends doing this as a prank?

3:48 PM  
Anonymous rob of wilmington, del. said...

Ahh, the Drudge report.

So one page maybe is saying -- Drudge has a habit of posting unsubstantiated rumors -- it's a prank. What about the others who have come forward, on the reocrd, to talk about Foley. Are they all liars?

Let's see how this plays out. Right now the Republican leadership is in circular firing squad mode. If this were a prank:

a) Foley wouldn't have resigned
b) The Republican leadership would have reacted much differently
c) There wouldn't be all these pages coming out on the record -- effectively ruining their potential political careers
d) Fordham wouldn't have resigned, effectively ending his political career

Sorry. No sale.

3:53 PM  
Anonymous Dave G. said...

You morons. It's not even worth addressing the idea that it's a prank, because it's so ridiculous.

4:17 PM  
Anonymous Widget said...

Rob, Dont faint.

You do have some good points.

But some of the whole affair may be true and some not.

Could be that only those involved know for sure.

If you did something dumb, and later it looked incriminating wouldn't you leave?

Oh, that's right, the left get Kudos. LOL

4:38 PM  
Anonymous rob of wilmington, del. said...

If I did something dumb?

Dumb is a broad term.

If I did something like Foley -- send inappropriate e-mails, make other inappropriate comments or perhaps more to minors -- I would probably have sought help a long time ago, not wait until the story became national news and I had ruined the reputation of a bunch of my colleagues.

If I had done something dumb? If I had known about a colleague's problems for years, and not taken those problems seriously, did nothing more than say stop and try to sweep the issue under the rug, made sure to not tell the one Democrat on the appropriate board, advise the problematic Congressman to keep running for re-election, keep donating hundreds of thousands of dollars to his colleagues in tight races ... that sort of dumb?

If I did that, and got caught, yes, I would probably resign my post.

From what people on both sides of the aisle are saying, Hastert looks to be in serious trouble. At the very least, he'll say he won't seek re-election as Speaker, if the GOP holds onto the House after November.

And Reynolds is losing in his race for re-election. This cover-up -- or whatever it is -- may have sealed his fate.

5:17 PM  
Anonymous trinity said...

I'm just checking in for a sec as I still don't really have time to post, as much as I'm getting antsy to do so. Perhaps later tonight. If not, definitely tomorrow.

In any case, as details come pouring in, I'm laughing my head off. This whole brouhaha is really something.

I'll just say one thing about the prank angle for now, before you all get hysterical. Nobody is saying that Foley didn't right those e-mails. He wrote them, and unlike many Democrats who've done much worse, he's gone.

But what we are finding out now is the story of how this whole thing got started, and who held on to these IMs for all this while, releasing them as soon as the deadline to replace Foley's name on the ballot had passed. THAT'S the really interesting part of the story.

And rob, do I detect a tone of disdain regarding Drudge? After all of the news this man has broken, you still don't feel he's a genuine newsman? That's rich!

In any case, I've g2g, but first I'll post this, from William Kerr's (Wild Bill) Passionate American blog.

Kerr is also a Glenn Beck insider, and was one of the bloggers I was following a couple of nights ago when all of these puzzle pieces started to fit together. You Dems really should stop demagoguing this issue. It's pathetic.

"I turned the comment off because someone is trying to bring one of my children into this. My son is a MINOR unlike Jordan Edmund. I have been on several radio shows this morning, including Glenn Beck. If you would like to help me you can please click the Make a Donation button on the right side bar. The hate mail has been pouring in and a lot of threats have been made. I can take the heat, but my family is very nervous. I will have more on this story soon. I have much more to say about this. I want to thank everyone for their support."

Anyone interested in following the excellent investigative reporting that Kerr did, can read about it on his blog. He should congratulate himself for doing the job that the MSM USED to do, back in the old days.

5:39 PM  
Anonymous trinity said...

"Right", in the above post, should read "write". Like I said, I really have no time to post. lol

5:41 PM  
Anonymous Dave G. said...

Former page Jordan Edmund's attorney, STeven Jones, on the Drudge Report's story: “There is not any aspect of this matter that is a practical joke nor should anyone treat it that way.”

6:13 AM  
Blogger thewaronterrible said...

How thy conservative wingnuts so readily taken by the wingnut crackpot conspiracy theories.
As soon as I see more credible and objective reporting, other than references to "rumors" by Republican stalewarts in the Wall Street Journal, I won't take seriously such Republican damage control efforts.

11:03 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

“Jordan was a minor when the alleged events described in the media occurred,” Jones said. “He retained me ... to guide and assist him through a difficult investigative and media onslaught because he thought I might be able to help him.

“Jordan has authorized me to say that if he has any relevant information on the matters involving Congressman Foley, he will voluntarily present it to any appropriate official authority.”

Jones has experience with high-profile cases. He defended Oklahoma City bomber Timothy McVeigh.

The attorney disputed as “a piece of fiction” a report on a widely viewed Internet site, The Drudge Report, that Edmund’s exchanges with Foley were a prank by the page.

Jones said, “There is not any aspect of this matter that is a practical joke nor should anyone treat it that way.”

11:27 AM  
Anonymous trinity said...

You may have missed it, Anonymous, but although Jones said it sounded like a "piece of fiction", when pressed, he said that he could not rule it in or out. :)

12:22 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

... still waiting for Drudge to offer some corroboration, evidence, proof, anything, to back up his original report.

... still waiting ...

12:34 AM  
Anonymous trinity said...

Anonymous said...
... still waiting for Drudge to offer some corroboration, evidence, proof, anything, to back up his original report.

... still waiting ...

I expect that these young men will only be speaking through their lawyers, if at all, Anonymous. At least until the formal investigations are over with.

11:39 PM  

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