Wednesday, September 13, 2006

David Gregory Vs. Tony Snow, Part 2

Being in the White House press corps can be a no-win situation. But sometimes, the right question can get a very interesting answer.

During yesterday's back-and-forth between NBC's David Gregory and White House Press Secretary Tony Snow, Gregory asked the right question.

Here's the exchange:

GREGORY: Can you describe how it's possible to oppose the President on the war on Iraq without emboldening the terrorists?

SNOW: Yes. Yes, absolutely. There are ways to do it. But also, if you say we need to leave right now, without preconditions -- and I'm not sure anybody says that, but I'll give you a hypothetical -- that would embolden the terrorists. If the end result was that we left Iraq and we did not have an Iraq that was able to sustain itself, govern itself and defend itself, that would embolden the terrorists.

... But there are ways of -- you can disagree over a lot of things. If you share the objective of having an Iraq -- and this is what's kind of interesting about the debate last night, because if you look at the President's speech, he talks about an Iraq that's going to be able to be democratic -- I don't know that that's controversial with anybody -- an Iraq where Iraqi forces are going to be able to defend Iraqi ground. I don't know that that's controversial. I think those are the things -- to answer your question, and I'll let you get back to this, to answer your question, it is possible to disagree. But on the other hand, if you are proposing a position that says to Bin Laden, in effect, Iraq is yours, then that is not the kind of thing that I think is going to lead to victory.


In other words, you can disagree with the president on Iraq ... as long as you agree with the president on Iraq.

You can disagree with the president over "a lot of things" -- Snow doesn't say what, but I'm guessing he means the number of troops in Iraq, or the number of coalition partners the U.S. has -- but if you disagree about the big-ticket item, like if/when to consider troop redeployment, that's a no-no.

When you disagree with the President like that, you've apparently crossed the "with us or against us" line; you might as well join Al Qaeda. You've left yourself open to name-calling and hyperbole from Republican politicians and their friends in the conservative noise machine.

As has often been said, dissent does not equal disloyalty ... except when the Bush Administration says so.


Blogger thewaronterrible said...

Snow is such an embarrassment.
He comes across as trying to untangle himself from the web of deception weaved by his bosses.
And all Americans should have had just about enough of the Bush cartel telling them how to think and act in response to its' failed Iraq policy and manufactured links to terrorism.
Will the country ever fully catch on?

1:27 PM  
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Anonymous Anonymous said...

you ever get the feeling Snow hems and haws like this on controversial questions, so that there's no chance the MSM will use it?

I mean, other than liberal blogs and maybe Olbermann, who is going to use this information?

1:59 PM  
Anonymous displacedtexan said...

Ah, so NOW Tony Snow offers a "hypothetical?" I thought he didn't do "hypotheticals."

3:02 PM  
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3:37 PM  
Anonymous whoop4467 said...

Anonymous said... I mean, other than liberal blogs and maybe Olbermann, who is going to use this information?

That is the problem with our politics today, there is blind acceptance of the Bush administration, simply because he says he is a Christian. For democracy to flourish and survive takes two things:

1. An educated voter
2. participation by at least 75% of qualified voters.

3:57 PM  
Anonymous alias: "cutiepie" johnson said...

Jon Stewart could use this stuff.

The problem is that it's hard to convey a philosophy of quashing dissent in a way that is useful for most Americans.

Whether the Bush Administration wants to lambaste jack murtha or nancy pelosi doesn't affect the average American. If you personally feel that the U.S. should be looking to redeploy troops within a year -- as a majority of Americans do -- you aren't going to change your mind just because Tony Snow lays down ridiculous ground rules on what is ok to dissent on and what isn't.

The flipside to this is that Bill O'Reilly (and he's not alone) recently said on his show that there's a line between dissent and treason -- a line that he said the liberals keep crossing. Why? Because liberals, he said, want to cut and run (the nasty way of saying troop redeployment.)

So you have a portion of the country -- the portion that relies on conservative talk radio and Fox News' night-time lineup -- thinking that it's wrong to want to get out of Iraq, under any circumstances.

But the majority of Americans don't care/don't know what Bill O'Reilly says, just like they don't care/don't know what Tony Snow says. And even if they are paying attention to this sort of thing, it's not going to change the way they feel about the war.

5:27 PM  
Blogger thewaronterrible said...

Cutiepie is right, unfortunately.
A lot of conservative drones still trapped in the O'Reilly/Bushie vacumm chamber would just assume to have us fighting in Iraq another two years, five years, tens years, spending hundreds of billions of additional dollars and taking thousands of additional lives.
The Bush Administration has no plan for Iraq whatsoever other than a save-face position to keep the U.S. there long enough until after 2008, when Bush can safely retire on his Texas ranch.
Hopefully he will then stay there permanently. No second wind experienced by the likes of Carter, Nixon, etc. for this failed president.
We had the chance to keep out of Iraq at the onset when several generals warned Rumsfeld of the consequences of an insurgency and several experts disputed Sadaam's WMD capabilities.
We had the chance to get out of Iraq in 2004 when Kerry and others accurately prophesized that staying the course would not bring about any improvement within a few years and beyond.
We blew those opportunities then.
We STILL have the spinners like Tony Snow and their mainstream media enablers to ensure we continue to blow it again and again and again and again.

6:10 PM  

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