Sunday, September 03, 2006

Compare Two Quotes And Ask: Does Bush Administration Really Understand "Sacrifice" In Iraq, Afghanistan?

John McCain (R-AZ) is a Vietnam War veteran with two sons who may soon become involved fighting the "war on terror."

By comparison, consider what MSNBC's Norah O'Donnell pointed out on the Aug. 27 edition of the syndicated Chris Matthews Show:

O'DONNELL: (I)t was so fascinating about learning relatives of members of Congress who have family involved in the Iraq war. In other words, Senator McCain now has two of his boys that will be involved in fighting the war on terror, being in the military. Someone at the White House said they can't think of anybody at senior levels at the White House who has a family member involved in the war.

Compare that point with President Bush's answer to NBC Nightly News anchor Brian Williams, during an Aug. 29 interview:

WILLIAMS: The folks who say you should have asked for some sort of sacrifice from all of us after 9/11, do they have a case looking back on it?

BUSH: Americans are sacrificing. I mean, we are. You know, we pay a lot of taxes. America sacrificed when they, you know, when the economy went into the tank. Americans sacrificed when, you know, air travel was disrupted. American taxpayers have paid a lot to help this nation recover. I think Americans have sacrificed.

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Is there a disconnect? Thousands of Americans joined the military after the Sept. 11, 2001, tragedy to fight the war on terror, prepared to pay the ultimate sacrifice to defeat those who attacked us -- Al Qaeda.

Over the past three years, more than 2,600 Americans have died in Iraq and more than 300 have died in Afghanistan over the past three-plus years (and keep in mind, even President Bush has acknowledged that Iraq had "nothing" to do with the Sept. 11 attacks), while more than 20,000 Americans have been injured in those wars. That's sacrifice.

And while no one is expecting the Bush twins to go fight in Iraq or Afghanistan, isn't it amazing that the first thing our President thinks of when asked about sacrifice is taxes?

15 Comments:

Anonymous trinity said...

David R. Mark said...
"And while no one is expecting the Bush twins to go fight in Iraq or Afghanistan, isn't it amazing that the first thing our President thinks of when asked about sacrifice is taxes?"


A comment such as that one, David, really should be beneath you. I'm very sorry to see that it's not.

First off, you are being intellectually dishonest, in a very, very, large way, because it's perfectly clear to any thinking person that Brian Williams was referring to Americans other than those serving in the military, since anyone with a brain is abundantly aware that our troops and their families, God bless them, already do more than their share of sacrificing for this nation.

That you would take such a cheap shot and imply that President Bush, of all people, is at all insensitive or unconcerned about our fallen and injured soldiers, as well as their families, is nothing to be proud of. This is the type of unfair, partisan crap that gets to people like me. Valid criticism, when it's deserved, is one thing. This type of slime is disgraceful.

4:01 PM  
Anonymous whoop4467 said...

trinity said That you would take such a cheap shot and imply that President Bush, of all people, is at all insensitive or unconcerned about our fallen and injured soldiers, as well as their families, is nothing to be proud of. This is the type of unfair, partisan crap that gets to people like me. Valid criticism, when it's deserved, is one thing. This type of slime is disgraceful.


Trinity - I will have to say that when I was listenening to the interview on Tv and reading at the same time, his answer also perked me up with his response. My thought was that his first thought was a material sacrifice and not a heart and soul or life sacrifice. The response goes along with one of the main main reasons that I have said that the repuks do not enlist percentage wise ( or not all)in the military according to the ferver and boastfullness of their rhetoric. The repuks are more concerned about their material sacrifice than they are really their heart and soul scarfifice (they can not give up their incomes for any cause, even war on "terrorism", but they can pay taxes and be patriotic).

Trinity - You need to do your preaching on conservative blogs.

6:38 PM  
Anonymous rob of wilmington, del. said...

Trinity, the long and the short of it was that this was Bush's answer. He didn't preface it by saying, "Of course, some of our troops have made the ultimate sacrifice," which would have allowed him to make a very patriotic answer to the question.

If you watch the video and look at the transcript, it doesn't seem like Bush knows how quite to answer the question, to be honest.

And I think the point made by O'Donnell is valid. If no one in the administration has a family member fighting abroad, can they truly understand the meaning of the word "sacrifice." It's an interesting question, and a valid one.

Sorry that you can only consider such a juxtaposition of quotes as "partisan crap." I thought YOU were above such "slime."

11:04 PM  
Anonymous Kutjara said...

Of course not.

The Bush(league) Administration's idea of sacrifice is not being able to get a table at their favorite DC restaurant, or having to wait five minutes longer than usual for their limo.

To these people, 'tax' is the ultimate sacrifice, because money is the only thing that matters to them.

11:04 PM  
Anonymous orpupilofnature57 said...

Just like they felt the pain of Viet Nam ,LONG DISTANCE

11:05 PM  
Anonymous izzie said...

I heard that on TV . I would think the man would just shut up

What world does he live in?

11:05 PM  
Anonymous Arkansas Granny said...

To Bush and his henchmen, sacrifice is something other people

do so they can get on with life as usual without bothering their "beautiful minds". These are like remarks his mother usually makes. It isn't surprising that he feels this way, too.

11:05 PM  
Anonymous applegrove said...

They refused to use the word "Sacrifice" last November - Veterans Day

or Memorial Day or whatever. Personally, I think many in the WH are covetous of those who actually have served their country and the word "sacrifice" is an enemy to them.

11:05 PM  
Anonymous teryang said...

His statements are very revealing

Americans...I mean we. We pay taxes? The war isn't being paid for. The rich aren't paying more taxes, they are paying less taxes. The corporate tax burden as a percentage of government revenue has been falling for years and shifted to the middle class. The failure of the corporate rich to carry their burden, has resulted in the greatest debt balloon in world history.

Bush is really unable to think in any other terms than class warfare. The war was undertaken to restore the wealth and power of the old defense industrial establishment at the expense of the masses. By financing the war with debt instruments, the ruling class creates capital to be deposited into the pockets of the have mores today.

One of the defense establishment propagandists on MSNBC this morning said (on Tucker)it doesn't matter if we are in Iraq for 60 more days or 60 months, we need to "go to the heart of radical Islam." This is depraved indifference to the losses there and the complete failure of these policies.

11:06 PM  
Anonymous trinity said...

Like I said. As Commander-in-Chief whose official duties include personally meeting with the families of our fallen heros, there is nobody more aware of the tremendous sacrifices that are being made on a daily basis by our troops and military families than President Bush.

It's a given that Williams was not referring to our military when he asked about Americans making sacrifices. I think you would agree that Williams would not be calling upon our military to be making yet greater sacrifices than they're already making. If you cannot concede this very axiomatic point, then I stand by my previous statement. You're all being intellectually dishonest, including you, rob.

3:04 PM  
Anonymous alias: "cutiepie" johnson said...

Trinity said:

As Commander-in-Chief whose official duties include personally meeting with the families of our fallen heros

>>

You have to be joking. Bush has admitted he has not yet attended one funeral for a fallen soldier. And Rumsfeld was criticized for using a form letter with an automatic signature maker, rather than taking the time (and allowing each death to sink in) to sign each letter personally.

2:11 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

alias: "cutiepie" johnson said...
"You have to be joking. Bush has admitted he has not yet attended one funeral for a fallen soldier.


Admitted, cutiepie? As in being defensive or something? As though the President should be attending the actual funerals of the deceased soldiers and turning those solemn events into photo-ops, media circuses and security nightmares for the grieving families? That has to be just about the most absurd statement I've ever seen coming from you, cutiepie. You usually make more sense than that.

Then again, it's just another example of how your side has lost its ability to be objective and fair where this president is concerned.

11:51 AM  
Anonymous trinity said...

My post above.

11:54 AM  
Anonymous alias: "cutiepie" johnson said...

Admitted? Confirmed? You pick the verb.

You made the claim about "personally meeting with the families of our fallen heros," Trinity. I'm just pointing out the obvious.

How did Bush "personally meet with the families of our fallen heros?" When was this occasion(s)?

12:25 PM  
Anonymous trinity said...

alias: "cutiepie" johnson said...
"You made the claim about "personally meeting with the families of our fallen heros," Trinity. I'm just pointing out the obvious.

How did Bush "personally meet with the families of our fallen heros?" When was this occasion(s)?


Cutiepie, just because this President does this type of thing in private, doesn't mean he doesn't do it. Grieving is not supposed to be made into a photo shoot, although some might not be above such a spectacle. President Bush takes every death very much to heart. It's sad that those who hate him so much, know him so little.

I would not expect those here to be aware of any of these stories because they're not the type of thing one would find on Left-wing websites and blogs. Nevertheless, President Bush has always met with these families, in private. At the White House, at Kennebunk, MA., at Fort Bragg, all over the country. He even met with Cindy Sheehan at the White House, in case you didn't know that either.

Here is an excerpt from Evan Thomas' book, "Election 2004: How Bush Won, and What You Can Expect in the Future":

"All winter and spring, Bush had been meeting privately with the famlies of soldiers who had fallen in Iraq. The meetings were described to the press in the most anodyne terms, but in fact they were searing, often tearful for the president and the famlies alike. They did not leave Bush much wanting to go out and grin and jape and press the press."

And some links to other related stories:

http://kennebecjournal.mainetoday.com/news/local/3061299.shtml

http://www.seacoastonline.com/news/08262006/mainenews-bush-maine.html

And not only that:

"US President George Bush plans to meet the families of some UK troops killed in Iraq when he visits London."

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/3271003.stm

I trust this answers your question, cutiepie?

1:12 PM  

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