Tuesday, September 26, 2006

Another Day, Another Person Alleges Sen. Allen Used The "N-Word"

Christopher Taylor, an anthropology professor at the University of Alabama at Birmingham, told the New York Times yesterday that in the early 1980s, he heard Sen. George Allen (R-VA) use the "N-word" to describe black Americans.

Taylor, who is white and was then a graduate student at the University of Virginia in Charlottesville, said the term came up in a conversation about turtles in a pond near Allen’s property.

According to Taylor, Allen said that “around here” only the black Americans — whom he referred to by the epithet — “eat ‘em.” Taylor told the Times that he was “kind of taken aback” by Allen’s language because it was their first meeting. “Most of us are antiracist,” Taylor said.

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By itself, it has all the makings of a he-said/he-said tale.

But Taylor's story is hardly an isolated one when it comes to Senator "Good Ol' Boy."

It comes just a day after three former teammates of Allen's at the University of Virginia told the liberal online journal Salon that Allen "repeatedly used" the "N-word" and demonstrated racist attitudes toward black Americans during the early 1970s.

As JABBS noted last week, Allen tried to shrug off questionably racist things on his resume to NBC's Tim Russert, suggesting those were "rebellious, anti-establishment" things he did as "a kid" -- even though such episodes occurred well after Allen turned 40. (Click here to read a partial list of events.)

Will more stories be revealed as we get closer to election day? And will Virginians simply accept Allen's denials of wrongdoing as either fictional accounts by one-time friends, or "rebellious, anti-establishment" things he did "as a kid" of 25, 32 or 41?

Come clean, Sen. Allen. Things can only get worse.

46 Comments:

Anonymous Anonymous said...

One of two things is happening here. The libs are really afraid that Allen is going to get the nomination and win the presidency or they are looking for him to resign. Because we all know you libtards love to pull out the resignation card when things dont go your way.

Now if resignation is what you are looking for after a racist remark is concerned why didnt you call for Shrillarys and the dumbest man in the Senate, Joe Bidens resignation?

So, we have a double-double standard at work here: (1) Demonrats are outraged if a Republican says any such thing that might be considered racist, and (2) mainstream media would hound to death any Republican who had said such a thing, until he had to resign something or other.

I think there are a lot more important things to be worrying about other than this. It is nothing more than a few demonrats making allegations that cannot be backed up with proof. Oh and by the way, hearsay cant be brought into court as evidence. Smarten up libtards, you just might make yourself look human.

HAKUNA MAKAKA Libtards.

8:32 AM  
Blogger thewaronterrible said...

Conservatives do not care to look at facts to discern whether their candidate is a closet racist who may use his prejudices to influence policy.
Just as long as he does not receive extramarital BJs.
Dems have to be careful not to come across as the ones leading the charge into probes of Allen's background.
If the Repukes can obscure the info enough while framing such a movement as an unfair, attempted political assassination solely for purposes of Webb winning the Senate election, that could only benefit Allen.

9:53 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

TWOT, what facts do you libtards have that proves that Allen is a racist other than hearsay? I know facts mean nothing to libtards when it comes to slandering a conservative, but I will be waitig for you to show me some.

10:12 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

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10:26 AM  
Anonymous rob of wilmington, del. said...

anonymous, Allen sort of apologized for the host of things mentioned by Russert on Meet the Press.

If Allen really was innnocent of everything, he would have said as much.

10:36 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

rob, he appologized for using the word nigger? Sounds like another liberal lie.

10:39 AM  
Anonymous Dave G. said...

TWOT, what facts do you libtards have that proves that Allen is a racist other than hearsay?
Besides the Confederate lapel pin, and the noose, and the "macaca" comment? Besides those things, and the photos with groups who promote a White America, and the celebration of a Confederate History month?

Anonymous, we can only draw you to the water so many times before you drink, man. It's not our fault that when we give you 2+2, you get 17.

11:14 AM  
Anonymous Snoop said...

Ok this is really getting old, I usually find the posts of you liberals as amusing, I at first thought that this was a legitimate conversation topic. But you liberals are so transparent it’s pathetic.
This man has been in public life for quite some time, and NOW you white liberal folks want to make a big deal out of this?
Let me tell you people something, regardless of what side of the political spectrum you reside, a great deal of white people have referred to black folks as Nigg…
For you liberals to keep beating this dead horse, is just over the top. If I were to hold all white people responsible who called black folks the N-word, I would hate all white people.
If you want proof that liberals don’t care about race and Allen’s use of this term, virtually none of the articles bother to interview black people asking for their opinion. In black newspapers, and magazines this is a non issue.
As a black individual does this raise white flags, yes, but pathetic racist ass liberals are so afraid that Allen is such a threat at taking the White House, this is your ONLY weapon.
Now people are being paid to come out of the trees to say Allen used the Nigga term.
Did it not occur to you people that if he did say it to these folks that THEY themselves likely did not have a problem with him using the term.
Who are you people kidding, when I was a kid white kids threw this term around all the damm time. Some of your parents and grandparents shouted at black kids going to school, cussed at the fact that black people were moving in your neighborhoods.
Hell they did it to my family in Oakland California in 1971. Called us niggas, threw eggs at our house, I was not allowed to go into any white kids house for the first couple of years after I moved to the neighborhood.
This particular topic and the fact that JABBS and other prominent blogs keeps posting about it, only keeps proving what I have said about white liberals all my adult life. You are the true racists.
You people on the left are in serious trouble, YOU CAN’T WIN WITHOUT THE BLACK VOTE PERIOD, so what do you do, post this crap about Allen every week
Saying see, we don’t use those terms on our side. You mean to tell me, Dean has not said it, Clinton, Kennedy pick any political individual on either side, you mean none of them has ever said it? Get real!
White people every damm day utter this crap, this is a racist ass society, that is obvious, but the question is do you care about his use of the term or its effect on our society

11:37 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Davey G-String
None of that would stand up in a court of law. You have no proof. A rope a flag and a made up word is not proof. And one more time, hearsay is not allowed into a court room. Try and come up with something more substantial.

11:58 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

BRAVO SNOOP!!!
This white conservative applauds you and hates the word nigger/nigga, no matter how it is used. Yet the liberal dems dont have a platform to run on they have to jump on this type of bandwagon. Truly pathetic.

12:02 PM  
Anonymous Dave G. said...

None of that would stand up in a court of law. You have no proof. A rope a flag and a made up word is not proof. And one more time, hearsay is not allowed into a court room. Try and come up with something more substantial.
Idiot, we're not in a court of law. And all of these things I've mentioned are not hearsay, they've either come out of his mouth, or are things he's talked about/admitted, or are in photographs. Once again, 2 + 2 = 4.

As a black individual does this raise white flags, yes, but pathetic racist ass liberals are so afraid that Allen is such a threat at taking the White House, this is your ONLY weapon.

Snoop, you should be happy this is happening. Why? Because as a Republican you probably want the best possible candidate for the white house in 2008. Running for lower elections and/or making an ass out of yourself helps weed people out of the process.

12:16 PM  
Anonymous rob of wilmington, del. said...

anonymous, read the freaking post. russert laid out a slew of things that Allen had done that people found to be racist. allen blamed it on being a rebellious kid, even though some of the events were done when Allen was past 40?

why can't fringe conservatives read? were they victims of no child left behind?

12:30 PM  
Anonymous rob of wilmington, del. said...

This man has been in public life for quite some time, and NOW you white liberal folks want to make a big deal out of this?
>>

Snoop, don't kill the messenger. The news has changed over the past few weeks -- macaca, and now the former football players and the former UVa student.

It's not like this is 30-year-old information -- like the horny navy women stuff with Webb (also deplorable, but 30 years ago) or the Byrd is in the KKK (also deplorable, but 60 years ago).

This is all stuff that has hit the news cycle in the last six weeks.

12:33 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Davey G-String, I realize we aren't in a court of law, because if we were I would hope we would be presided over by someone a lot smarter than you. What part of "people said he said" don't you understand as being hearsay? You all have failed to come up with any substantial proof that he used the word nigger. I will give you the possibility that he said makaka, but the tape is pretty lousy and the word means nothing here in America. A rope and flag is no proof of racism. I have crucifix around my neck. Does that make me a member of the KKK?I know in your eyes it makes me part of the crazy Christian right wing, yet you don't know me. I have a statue of a lighthouse in my house, does that make me the keeper of the light? So, liberal minded + hearsay =guilty? I am so glad I don't live in your clouded world.

12:39 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

One last thing because this is getting old and you donks are boring me with your stupidity. I can see this going the way of the Valerie Plame thing. Get the lib media all up in arms hoping for a loud explosion and it all fizzles out in the end.

HAKUNA MAKAKA YOU LOSERS!
See you around on your next uneducated post.

1:06 PM  
Anonymous rob of wilmington, del. said...

I have crucifix around my neck. Does that make me a member of the KKK

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That's a remarkably stupid comment.

Let's go over it again, raal slow.

1) Allen has apologized for the noose, the confederate flag in his office, his association with the CCC, and other offenses. It's sort of a BS apology, because he says these things happened when he was a kid, when in fact some of them happened after he was 40.

2) You have two people on the record saying that Allen used the "N-Word" to them. So you have a he-said/he-said.

When John Fund, backed by Richard Mellon Scaife's money, went around with his conservative buddies to dig up dirt about Clinton, and published that dirt -- even though it had all been proven false by numerous objective sources -- did you say "well, there's no real proof that Clinton raped anyone. it's just hearsay. there's no proof that clinton did cocaine. it's just hearsay. there's no proof that clinton had drug-laden planes land in arkansas from central america. it's just hearsay. there's no proof that clinton had a half dozen affairs. it's just hearsay."

did you say that at the time? because those anti-clinton authors in the 1990s sure did sell a lot of copies for regnery.

1:23 PM  
Anonymous KingFlorez said...

Larry Sabato also says he used it
It's not looking good for Allen. This is the best gift Virginia Democrats could have gotten, Allen being exposed has turned the whole Senate race around.

2:48 PM  
Anonymous Jack from Charlotte said...

What's the tally so far..... The physician in North Carolina says Sen. Felix Maccawitz used the N word. 2 other UVA team mates confirm what Dr. Ken Shelton said but asked that their names not be used. Shelton also said Maccawitz also referred to him as "Wizard" after then KKK leader, Robert Shelton whose title was the "Grand Wizard" of the KKK.

UVA schoolmate of Maccawitz and current UVA prof, Larry Sabato, said he heard Maccawitz use the N word himself.

Another teammate of Maccawitz, currently a prof at the University of Alabama said Maccawitz also used the N word.

Now 3 ex-teammates have come forward and said the NEVER heard Felix use the N word. However, these 2 are currently working in Felix's campaign and the 3rd was appointed to a position by Felix when he was gov.

Then we have the Confed Flag use. Keeping a noose in his office.... and the Malacca comment caught on camera.


And didn't a young Felix Malacca get busted for spray painting racial comments on his school when they were playing a school that had mostly Black players.

And there's the deer head deal..... putting it in the mailbox of a black family.

Senator Felix Markovitz. A great republican

2:49 PM  
Anonymous MADem said...

Wow, the hits just keep on coming! I am moved to poetry!!!
George Allen sat down, and he did figger,

He could be a Senator, and then something bigger.

But with his mouth, he pulled the trigger,

And shot himself, by saying...

A VERY BAD WORD!

2:50 PM  
Anonymous LibDemAlways said...

As a senior at Palos Verdes High School, Allen scrawled racist graffiti on the walls of the school to stir up racial tension against a rival, predominently black school. He was caught and had to apologize over the school PA. He admitted the graffiti to Ryan Lizza of the New Republic back in April, but denied it was racist. I was in Allen's class. It was.

2:50 PM  
Anonymous Mike Daniels said...

I'm voting for Webb but why didn't this crap come out in prior elections?

All of a sudden, because of "Macaca" all these people just flash-recall what a racist piece of s*it Allen was?

Where were these people when he ran for governor and senator? If the thought wasn't that much in the front of mind back then how do we really know that their memories are really legit now?

Given that just as many teammates have been quoted as saying "he's not racist" is this just going to come down to a he said/he said argument?

2:51 PM  
Anonymous LibDemAlways said...

I went to high school with Allen and live in California.

I was only vaguely aware he was even in politics until he was running for the Senate in 2000. I contacted several Virginia reporters and told them all about Allen's racism. I also contacted Chuck Robb's campaign and told them what I knew and invited Robb's campaign manager to attend our 30 year reunion and hear about Allen's past from others as well. He declined. One of the Virginia reporters called me a liar. The others were polite but skeptical. After all, high school was a long time ago.

It took Ryan Lizza's investigative work this Spring published in the New Republic to begin to seriously raise these issues. Lizza undertook the research at the urging of another classmate.

I think hearing about Allen's Presidential ambitions was the prime motivation for people finally coming forward. Better late than never.

2:53 PM  
Anonymous Snoop said...

Rob dude, I’m directing this to you because you are the only lib here that MIGHT get this.

This is the mistake liberals in the media and in particular white liberal blogs do all the time.

If Allen is a racist, who would that effect, white people or black people?
Let’s say he is a closet racist, I bet 50 percent of the elected leaders around the country at all levels of government are closet racists.
But ask yourself, just what the hell could Allen do to me as a black man if he is elected president, not a damm thing!

Abraham Lincoln HATED black people, routinely referred to them as Niggas, he even said that the greatest mistake this country ever made was bring us from Africa, yet most of you people think that he was the greatest or one of the greatest presidents in history.

My problem with all of this is white liberal bloggers are all jumping on this bullshit and they don’t even bother to do their research on just what black people think about all of this.
I knew about Allen’s confederate flag worshiping crap, but I find Howard Dean far more offensive than I do Allen.
When Dean said the crap he did about blacks working in hotels how come you liberals did not jump on that, because you did not give a damm.
White liberal bloggers have no problem posting people in blackface and bringing up black racism issues when it purely pertains to republicans but NEVER, EVER do they call their own kind on it.
When that group of liberal bloggers met in NYC and yet invited NO BLACK PEOPLE to participate, that is typical. We’ll call you when we need your vote, otherwise shut up.
Not ONE liberal blog ever posts items pertaining to issues that pertains to black issues or concerns only this racist republican crap, despite the fact that if just 20 percent of blacks voted Republican you liberal Democrats would be finished, period.
“Hey lookie Allen is a racist, see all republicans are don’t vote for them” bunch of racist bastards!
You can’t afford to lose any more ground with the black vote. Mfume in Maryland, I believe is considering backing Steele, That kind of crap scares the hell out of Democrats.
It should, because you Democrats engage in this crap every election cycle. It’s getting old.
I said in the earlier post, this is not even an issue on the black blogs or black publications but you white liberals have been beating this crap to death.
I just PRAY that more blacks see through this crap. Keep posting this bullshit, and watch it backfire on you.

4:14 PM  
Anonymous rob of wilmington, del. said...

I bet 50 percent of the elected leaders around the country at all levels of government are closet racists. >>

That's pure speculation.

But ask yourself, just what the hell could Allen do to me as a black man if he is elected president, not a damm thing!>>

Untrue. And that's hardly the issue. Are you suggesting it's ok for the U.S. to be represented by racists? I don't think you'd find many people agreeing with that.

4:37 PM  
Anonymous Tin Man said...

I'm speculating, but I'd say it has something to do with "critical mass"

Prior to the "macaca moment", accounts of Allen's racism were mostly anecdotal accounts - marginal territory for legitimate news - and consequently not pursued.

When the "macaca moment" happened, the door previously shut upon earlier questions into Allen's character was reopened. The "hard evidence" in the video is what gave new legitimacy to the old annecdotal accounts... kinda like the winter thaw that allows old snowfalls to pack well - if you can just get the snowball formed, once it starts rolling downhill - everything sticks to it.

4:37 PM  
Anonymous EST said...

I can tell you why. It's because a huge bunch of go along to get along, don't sink to their level, don't rock the boat too hard, take the high road, bubble gum backbone democrats have finally gotten tired of being shat on by semi-somnambulent, lying, smearing publiclowns.

The humping up and taking it, like a poor alley mongrel who has been beaten too generously all his life, days are over!

Except for a few backsliders here and there, we are sick and damn tired of ignorant, self-serving, mendacious bigots who get away with poisoning the public discourse and downloading out and out lies into voters' brains without permission.

We are declaring a truthiness and truthfulness war on the slimy bastards who think supping at the public trough and barring others is their natural right and we should be content with the moldy crusts and stagnant water they deign to throw our way.

Long answer to a short question, but that's how it looks to me.

4:38 PM  
Anonymous Disturbed said...

Uh, he doesn't remember using the N word. Translation: I might have used it but can't remember if I did, so you see I am not a racist asshole.

4:38 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

White liberal bloggers have no problem posting people in blackface

>>

That was one blogger, at FireDogLake, and she apologized quickly.

But hey, hyperbole is great during debate. One person does something, so why not make it sound like every single liberal blogger does it?

Dumbass.

5:05 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

rob, did you read the whole NY Slimes article or just the parts you liked? Why couldnt the Slimes headline have read, “Teammates and Trainer Vindicate Allen” Oh no cant have a possitive headline for a Republican now can we. What a bunch of schmucks you libs are.

Mr. Allen’s campaign also distributed statements in his defense from three other college football teammates and a former trainer for the team. The three players said Mr. Allen had never used racist slurs, and two of them, as well as the trainer, said Mr. Shelton had been nicknamed Wizard — and not by Mr. Allen — because of his magicianlike football skills.

5:50 PM  
Anonymous Shaneeka said...

George Allen for president? We need a woman and we need Condaleeza Rice, the only qualified woman and she is a black American.

5:55 PM  
Anonymous rob of wilmington, del. said...

The three players said Mr. Allen had never used racist slurs, and two of them, as well as the trainer, said Mr. Shelton had been nicknamed Wizard — and not by Mr. Allen — because of his magicianlike football skills.


>>

The three other college football teammates, I assume, meant they had never heard Allen use slurs. They couldn't possibly know whether Allen had used or hadn't used the slur to Shelton.

As for the nickname, it's a he-said/he-said. None of us really know the truth.

I'm amazed at how robust you all are defending Allen against these allegations. Did you also defend Kerry against the allegations made by the Swift Boat Vets? Did you also defend Clinton against the allegations made by the Richard Mellon Scaife-funded Arkansas Project?

If you did, we're all on the same side.

But here's the thing with Allen. He apologized for some of the things that have been linked to him. That's admitting that those things are in fact true. If the noose and the confederate flag and so on weren't true, then he would have told Tim Russert flat out that those things were false.

And you can defend macaca all day and all night, but realize the Allen campaign offered reporters four different defenses for their man. Scrambling for an alibi, perhaps?

In the end, it's a lot of allegations. Just like there were allegations made against Clinton, Gore and Kerry, and even McCain (by the same money that was behind the Swift Boat Vets.)

The media isn't suggesting these things are absolutely true. The media is saying there are people coming out of the woodwork who seem to back up a storyline that Allen has a history of racist tendencies.

Now, you can accept Allen's word that none of these things are true (except the ones he apologized for). That's your opinion. But others have other opinions.

That's what makes this country great. We are allowed to have opinions on the events of the day. Don't you agree?

6:11 PM  
Anonymous MellowMan said...

I so glad we are all so deeply involved in the clarification of certain aspects of Constitutional rights for all, even terrorists. George Allen has rights under the Constitution, too. The 6th Amendment gives Senator Allen the right 'to be confronted with the witnesses against him', and yet Larry Saboator said that the identity of the accusers who were students with Allen will remain secret. That nullifies their statements. Thus, no witnesses.

7:31 PM  
Anonymous Snoop said...

“I'm amazed at how robust you all are defending Allen against these allegations.”

I’m not defending him I am asking why are you white people concerned about Allen calling someone a nigga?

Answer that simple question.

“That's pure speculation.”

Ok lets say 30 percent of elected officials in this country are closet racists, what does that change. You white people should be breathing a sigh of relief. So there again if Allen is a racist SOB, darkies are the ones who had to deal with it. Most of the elected officials I have EVER come in contact with were a bunch of racist bastards.
The thing is, something you white folks would not understand, if a person comes righ out and says “ya know I don’t like niggas” I would say fine I don’t like crackas, at least I know where he stands. Liberal always pretend they give a crap about minorities they are likely to call you a nigga behind your back

“ Are you suggesting it's ok for the U.S. to be represented by racists?”

NO! But the thing is we don’t wear racist collars around our necks, good thing us black folks have redneck detectors inn our DNA.

But he you have idiots on this blog like the one who posted “Shaneeka said...”
Hey idiot thanks for making my point.

10:30 PM  
Blogger thewaronterrible said...

I'm tired of Allen too. He's doing just fine digging his own grave.
There's much worse news for the Repukes, although it's much too important to turn into a political argument. The entire Iraq debate has been turned on its head.
I hope JABBS would have something about the official release of the sections of the National Intelligence Estimate today indeed proving the NYT and Washington Post over the weekend stories were correct: The NIE finds the Iraq war to be increasing terrorism threat from Islamic radicals.
Then we have Bush's lame response that people who find credibility in the report are "naive" in that they question his OWN ADMINISTRATION'S INTELLIGENCE SOURCES!
So I guess we should believe Bush with an agenda, and not the nation's 16 largest intelligence organizations.
The Repukes will not be able to spin this one.
I expect the recent Bush "bounce" will soon buckle, recoil and capsize.

10:35 PM  
Anonymous rob of wilmington, del. said...

I’m not defending him I am asking why are you white people concerned about Allen calling someone a nigga?

Answer that simple question. >>

Easy. Racism is wrong.

12:00 AM  
Anonymous whoop4467 said...

To Snoop I can not fully identify with the discrinminations that you experienced, because I have not walked in your shoes. I have been discriminated against because of age. I lost my job as a Geophysicist in the late 80's and did something else until 1992 until that job went away. So at 48 I went back to school for 3 years to study something new to use in the medical field. When I finished it took me two years (then past 52 years of age) to get a job. It was obvious to me why I was rejected and it was my age. I started at the bottom and have worked my way back up. I know this is not as bad as your discrimination, but I know a little bit of the feeling.

When you asked if it matters if Allen is a closet racist and stated it would have no affect on you because all politicians are racist, it made me think of Hitler.

Hitler never said he hated jews during his campaigns, only that he wanted to produce a pure race which included white Germans. I am in no way saying Allen comes anywhere close to being like Hitler and that America would allow anything like the Hitler regime to occcur here. If you look at Hitler's speeches, there were hints that he had some goals of drastically changing the human race and that should have been a red flag. Once he realized there was support for his agenda, that encouraged him even more to carry it out.

The point of all of this is that "power corrupts" and when Hitler began to gain more and more support for his racist tendencies, then he went completly amuck. If our society condones what Allen is doing, saying and thinking and does nothing about it, then he gets validation for his behaviour and our whole society pays the price, not just African-Americans.

Have a nice day Snoop.

6:10 PM  
Anonymous trinity said...

Anonymous said...
"One of two things is happening here. The libs are really afraid that Allen is going to get the nomination and win the presidency or they are looking for him to resign."


For now, the libs would be thrilled if he simply loses his Senate seat over this BS, since they are so desperate to regain their majority status.

When in doubt, just try to put a label on conservatives. Racist, bigot, homophobe, sexist....take your pick. Character assassination is the name of the game.

11:44 PM  
Anonymous trinity said...

Anonymous said...
"I think there are a lot more important things to be worrying about other than this."


That thought crosses my mind everytime I see a new post about this nonsense here on JABBS. I have a few things to add to this thread, and then I'm finished with it.

I don't believe that Sen. Allen is a racist, and I have no tolerance for this sort of dubious hearsay. But of course, it's almost November, so what else can anyone expect from the left?

And Snoop, I'm glad to see that you, a conservative black man, posted on this topic. I was hoping that you would. I agree with you that the libs are only using this issue to bring down a Republican. As a group, they could care less if someone uses the "N" word, except of course if they can make political hay over it.

And not to worry, Snoop, because if you and your fellow black bloggers don't give a crap about this story, you can be sure that the principled white liberals in the Democrat Party will be happy to be offended on your behalf. ;)

12:01 AM  
Anonymous trinity said...

rob of wilmington, del. said...
"anonymous, Allen sort of apologized for the host of things mentioned by Russert on Meet the Press.

If Allen really was innnocent of everything, he would have said as much."


Rob, I couldn't disagree with you more. In today's society, nothing scares a politician more than the "racist" epithet. Succeed in labeling someone a racist and he's toast. Unless of course, he's a Democrat. Then he's given the title of "Conscience of the Senate". Even if in the past he used to recruit for the KKK and still uses the "N" word. It's pretty amazing when you think of it.

12:10 AM  
Anonymous trinity said...

rob of wilmington, del. said...
"...it's just hearsay. there's no proof that clinton did cocaine. it's just hearsay."


Well, we do have that police audio tape of that drug sting operation, with Roger Clinton saying that his brother has a nose like a vacuum cleaner. lol Does that count?

12:17 AM  
Anonymous trinity said...

KingFlorez said...
"Larry Sabato also says he used it"

Jack from Charlotte said...
"current UVA prof, Larry Sabato, said he heard Maccawitz use the N word himself."


And looks like Larry Sabato, "one of Virginia's most-quoted political science professors", engaged in a little duplicity in his interview with Chris Matthews.

When Matthews asked him whether he personally had heard Allen use the "N" word, he danced around the question without really answering it, trying to give the impression that it was more than hearsay.

"I'm simply going to stay with what I know is the case and the fact is he did use the n-word, whether he's denying it or not,"

Now his credibility is shot because we know that he was only repeating what someone else had said after all. Hack!

12:35 AM  
Anonymous trinity said...

Here's what Jim Webb said about whether or not he ever used the "N" word....


"I don’t think that there’s anyone who grew up around the South that hasn’t had the word pass through their lips at one time or another in their life,” Webb told reporters.

Webb referred to his novel, "Fields of Fire,” which aides said includes occurrences of the n-word as part of character dialogue. But he added: "I have never issued a racial or ethnic slur.”

Asked for clarification of his original answer, spokeswoman Jessica Smith quoted Webb as saying, "I have never used that word in my general vocabulary or in any derogatory way.”

She declined to say whether he had ever used the word apart from when he wrote his book."


http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2006/9/27/100423.shtml

12:45 AM  
Anonymous liberalism IS treason said...

Wow. I guess it was ok for Webb to drive around in a pick up truck, yell racial slurs to blacks, and then, with imitation guns, pretent to shoot them. then they drive off laughing. That;s ok to the left. Or, you can have a leader or you party, a former grand wizard and recruiter in the KKK. Perfectly fine. I wonder how many crosses Robert "KKK" Byrd burned and how many blacks he hanged?

Hypocrisy seems to be the standard of the anti-American left party....

9:14 PM  
Anonymous trinity said...

liberalism IS treason said...
"Wow. I guess it was ok for Webb to drive around in a pick up truck, yell racial slurs to blacks, and then, with imitation guns, pretent to shoot them. then they drive off laughing. That;s ok to the left."


Yes, well it appears so, since they only put hearsay against Republicans in the headline on page "A-1". Stories that put Democrats in a bad light, if reported on at all, are relegated to the "B" section of the newspaper, as was the case with Webb. But the MSM doesn't slant to the left, you know. wink wink

2:54 PM  
Anonymous alias: "cutiepie" johnson said...

Doesn't it go beyond hearsay, Trinity, when you have multiple people on the record saying they know something to be true? That's not the same as saying they heard a conversation between Allen and an unidentified third person.

I mean, you have two people on the record discussing the deer incident. You have two classmates from UVa discussing conversations they had with Allen in which Allen allegedly uses the "N-Word." You have Allen agreeing that he had a noose in his office, a confederate flag in his living room, etc. It's on the record that he met with the CCC. There are photographs with him having the confederate flag pin on his lapel in his HS yearbook.

Yes, there's no video evidence to back some allegations up. But don't you, just a little, think that the storyline may be true, and that this guy either has said some racist things, either because he believes them, or because he wanted to shed his Southern California background to adopt a "good ol' boy" persona in Virginia? I mean, it's an awful lot of stuff -- some of which Allen agrees is true.

And furthermore, isn't it possible that the hearsay against Webb is just being thrown out there by Allen supporters looking to take pressure off their man? If everyone is a racist, then what Allen did isn't as big a deal.

I'm not saying my theory is necessarily dead-on accurate, but a reasonable person would have to think its plausible, IMHO.

1:01 AM  
Anonymous trinity said...

alias: "cutiepie" johnson said...
"I'm not saying my theory is necessarily dead-on accurate, but a reasonable person would have to think its plausible, IMHO."


And I'm very glad that you are not saying that your theory is "necessarily dead-on accurate", cutiepie, because hearsay by any other name, is still hearsay, and as such, is not something you can count on as being true.

In my own personal, humble opinion, I think this story is all just a lot of political BS. I don't believe that Allen is a racist, nor do the people who know him best, and I'm disgusted at people throwing such a damaging label around so carelessly. I think it really stinks.

As far as your theory being plausible, I think you have to keep in mind, that in politics, especially in a highly competitive and important race such as this one, people are not above doing or saying things that might not be true, in order to achieve a particular outcome. Politics is a dirty business.

4:57 PM  

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