Sunday, September 17, 2006

Allen: Questionably Racist Decisions Came As a "Kid" ... Aged 25, 32 And 41

Sen. George Allen (R-VA) had an uncomfortable few minutes explaining to NBC's Tim Russert why he was no longer the man who in earlier years had made questionably racist decisions.

Allen, on this morning's Meet The Press, started by again offering why he insulted a man of Indian descent who was tracking the Republican's re-election campaign for challenger Jim Webb, calling the man a "macaca" -- a slur that literally means "a monkey,' but also can mean "shithead" -- or Macaque, a French slur used to describe North Africans. (Allen is of French Tunisian descent.)

Allen, whose campaign had offered several explanations along the way, said "macaca" was a made-up word. Only he knows the truth.

"It’s not who I am. It’s not how I was raised," Allen told Russert.

He may think that, but recent polls suggest Virginians don't think it was an unintentional slur.

Russert, with actual facts at his disposal, asked this damning follow-up:

RUSSERT: This is not the first time that people have looked at your record, and, and, and raised questions. The New York Times said, “In 1984, as a member of the Virginia House of Delegates, Mr. Allen opposed a state holiday honoring the Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. After being elected governor in 1993, he issued a proclamation honoring Confederate History Month.” And the Associated Press says, “Allen used to keep a Confederate flag in his living room, a noose in his law office and a picture of Confederate troops in his governor’s office.” Can you imagine black Americans, black Virginians reading that? What would they be thinking about George Allen, and why did you do that?

And that led to this amazing exchange:

ALLEN: There are a lot of things that I wish I had learned earlier in life. I grew up in a football family, as you well know, and my parents and, and those teams taught me a lot. And one of the things that you learn in football is that you don’t care about someone’s race or ethnicity or religion, it’s a meritocracy, it’s a level playing field, and it’s what we should aspire to in our society. ... Through the years I’ve learned and I’ve grown, and I’ve learned from people. I’ve learned in the civil rights pilgrimage that I went down to Selma and Montgomery and Birmingham, and, and listened to heroes of the civil rights struggle...

RUSSERT: So no more, no more Confederate flags?

ALLEN: On the Confederate flag — look, I wish I had had these experiences earlier in life, because I would have made decisions differently. The Confederate flag — as, as a kid, I was rebellious, anti-establishment, I still am. And I looked at the flag as a symbol for that.

RUSSERT: But you were governor.


Let's break it down.

Allen was born in Southern California, and grew up there and in Chicago. He wasn't a "good ol' boy" growing up in the segregated South (not that this would excuse racist behavior). He didn't get to Virginia until age 19, when he transferred from UCLA to the University of Virginia.

So, when Allen wore a confederate flag on his lapel in his high school yearbook picture -- being rebellious -- he did so in Southern California. He associated himself, unnaturally, with the Confederate (aka racist) South.

It seems contradictory to say, "I grew up in a football family, as you well know, and my parents and, and those teams taught me a lot," on the one hand, and then say "on the Confederate flag — look, I wish I had had these experiences earlier in life."

On the one hand, Allen learned from his parents and his father's football teams not to be a racist. On the other hand, he learned to be a racist. Something's amiss.

But logic wasn't Allen's strong point during his stay on Meet The Press.

"As a kid, I was rebellious, anti-establishment," he said. But consider:

-- He was 25 when he opened a law office in Charlottesville, Va., in which he kept a noose -- a symbol to many people of a time when black Americans were lynched. He was at least 25 when he had a confederate flag displayed in his living room.

-- He was 32 when he opposed a state holiday honoring the Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.

-- He was 41 when he issued a proclamation honoring Confederate History Month.

-- He was at least 41, and perhaps as old as 46, when he kept a picture of Confederate troops in his governor’s office.

In other words, Allen wasn't a "kid" when he made these decisions.

Only Allen knows the truth about Allen. But his lame excuses, which began with his explaining away "macaca" last month, only continued today on Meet The Press. Whether it costs Allen a chance to retain his Senate seat this November -- and a chance at the presidency in 2008 -- remains to be seen.

But in football vernacular, Allen was "stumbling and bumbling" this morning. It's hard to believe Virginians won't notice.


Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hakuna Makaka everyone!

8:08 AM  
Anonymous Dave G. said...

George Allen also appeared as an extra in the pro-slavery film "Gods and Generals" in 2003, when he was a mere lad of 51.

8:20 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Wasnt Robert KKK Byrd in that movie also? Yes he was. He was a General and George Allan was only an officer. Let not be hypocritical. Its not becoming of a good libby boy.

9:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

A little more on the bio of a racist senator.

In the early 1940s, when Byrd was 24 years old, he joined the Ku Klux Klan, which he had seen holding parades in Matoaka, West Virginia, as a child, his father having also been a Klan member[3]. Byrd was unanimously elected to be the leader, known as the Exalted Cyclops, of his local chapter. [4] Byrd, in his autobiography, attributed the beginnings of his political career to this incident, although he lamented that they involved the Klan. According to Byrd's recollection, Baskin told him, "You have a talent for leadership, Bob... The country needs young men like you in the leadership of the nation." Byrd recalls that "suddenly lights flashed in my mind! Someone important had recognized my abilities. I was only 23 or 24, and the thought of a political career had never struck me. But strike me that night, it did." [5] The KKK was seen as a stepping stone for aspiring southern politicians — one of the reasons attributed to Byrd's membership. [1] [2]

Quite revealing isnt it. Let us repeat that for those who werent paying attention. THE KKK WAS SEEN AS A STEPPING STONE FOR ASPIRING SOUTHERN POLITICIANS——ONE OF THE REASONS ATTRIBUTED TO BYRD'S MEMBERSHIP.

And how many Republicans in todays senate were members of the KKK? Let see...could it be...NONE!

9:09 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hard to believe Virgians wont notice? Could they be as blind as the people from New Orleans who voted for a mayor who let them drown and then wants a chocolate city. You know that chocolate city where you take milk and add chocolate and you have a delicious drinks.

"Just as long as the milk doesnt stay white all will be right."

Hey Al Sharpton And Jesse HighJackson, I give you permission to use that phrase.

10:22 AM  
Anonymous rob of wilmington, del. said...

I'm amazed that "conservatives" will defend Allen's racism by bringing up Robert Byrd's brief membership in the KKK 60 yeaqrs ago?

No one is saying Byrd made the right decision. Go find a Democrat who says that.

It's been aired out on this blog several times, too.

But that's the defense of Allen, huh? Byrd is worse, so stop picking on Allen?

Backwards logic, people. Backwards logic.

KKK membership is horrible. But it's not the only way one can be a racist.

Go look at some of the television ads that Jesse Helms ran in the 1980s and 1990s. Helms wasn't a member of the KKK, but he was most certainly a racist.

Strom Thurmond was never in the KKK, but go look at what he said when he ran for president in 1948.

Trent Lott wasn't a member of the KKK. But go look at some of the groups (like the CCC) that he's stood up for. Go look at how he stood up for Thurmond's beliefs of long ago.

It's so neanderthal -- ugh, you say Allen, I say Byrd.

10:27 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

More of the same. Allen is the topic at hand. Cosnervatives know they can't defend Allen. So they try the kitchen sink approach.

Maybe we'll all get tired and forget about Allen, right?

10:30 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Ted Kennedy wasnt a memeber of the KKK and look at some of the groups he was associated with. I am just pointing out your hypocrisy. So Allen called the guy a shithead in another language. Big deal. Me personally I dont find the Confederate Flag to be racist. That would be like saying the cross is racist because the KKK hijacked that symbol. When I see the Confederate Flag I think of Southern Rock, Country Music, Southern Food and Southern hospitality. I like to find the good in things and not dweel on the bad that was unfairly created by a bunch of lunatics.

Now by you calling him a racist is defamatory. You have no substantial proof what so ever.

10:36 AM  
Anonymous Dave G. said...

He was a General and George Allan was only an officer.

Um, what?? Somehow Robert Byrd is worse because the character he played in a movie was of a higher rank than the Allen character?

Now by you calling him a racist is defamatory. You have no substantial proof what so ever.

Other than the noose he kept in his office. Are you blind, besides being unable to spell?

10:41 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Also, we should bear in mind that Byrd has acknowledged and apologized for his past. Allen just tries to duck his.

Frank Rizzo

10:51 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

A noose in your office says your a racist? If that is all the proof you have, you are truly pathetic. And I suppose you have never made a typo in your life.

10:55 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"You cannot go to a 7-11 or Dunkin Donuts unless you have a slight Indian Accent."
-Senator Joe Biden

Mahatma Gandhi "ran a gas station down in Saint Louis."

-Senator Hillary Clinton

Some junior high n*gger kicked Steve's ass while he was trying to help his brothers out; junior high or sophomore in high school. Whatever it was, Steve had the n*gger down. However it was, it was Steve's fault. He had the n*gger down, he let him up. The n*gger blindsided him."

-- Roger Clinton, the President's brother on audiotape

"You'd find these potentates from down in Africa, you know, rather than eating each other, they'd just come up and get a good square meal in Geneva."
-- Fritz Hollings (D, S.C.)

"Is you their black-haired answer-mammy who be smart? Does they like how you shine their shoes, Condoleezza? Or the way you wash and park the whitey's cars?"

-- Left-wing radio host Neil Rogers

Blacks and Hispanics are "too busy eating watermelons and tacos" to learn how to read and write." -- Mike Wallace, CBS News. Source: Newsmax

Black on Black

"In the days of slavery, there were those slaves who lived on the plantation and [there] were those slaves that lived in the house. You got the privilege of living in the house if you served the master ... exactly the way the master intended to have you serve him. Colin Powell's committed to come into the house of the master. When Colin Powell dares to suggest something other than what the master wants to hear, he will be turned back out to pasture."
-- Harry Belafonte

"Republicans bring out Colin Powell and J.C. Watts because they have no program, no policy. They have no love and no joy. They'd rather take pictures with black children than feed them." -- Donna Brazile, Al Gore's Campaign Manager for the 2000 election

(On Clarence Thomas) "A handkerchief-head, chicken-and-biscuit-eating Uncle Tom." -- Spike Lee

"He's married to a white woman. He wants to be white. He wants a colorless society. He has no ethnic pride. He doesn't want to be black."

-- California State Senator Diane Watson's on Ward Connerly's interracial marriage

Comments From The Past

"Rather I should die a thousand times, and see Old Glory trampled in the dirt never to rise again, than to see this beloved land of ours become degraded by race mongrels, a throwback to the blackest specimen from the wilds."

-- Former Klansman and current US Senator Robert Byrd, a man who is referred to by many Democrats as the "conscience of the Senate", in a letter written in 1944, after he quit the KKK.

"I am a former kleagle of the Ku Klux Klan in Raleigh County and the adjoining counties of the state .... The Klan is needed today as never before and I am anxious to see its rebirth here in West Virginia .... It is necessary that the order be promoted immediately and in every state of the Union. Will you please inform me as to the possibilities of rebuilding the Klan in the Realm of W. Va .... I hope that you will find it convenient to answer my letter in regards to future possibilities."

-- Former Klansman and current US Senator Robert Byrd, a man who is referred to by many Democrats as the "conscience of the Senate", in a letter written in 1946, after he quit the KKK.

"These laws [segregation] are still constitutional and I promise you that until they are removed from the ordinance books of Birmingham and the statute books of Alabama, they will be enforced in Birmingham to the utmost of my ability and by all lawful means."

-- Democrat Bull Connor (1957), Commissioner of Public Safety for Birmingham, Alabama

"I'll have those n*ggers voting Democratic for the next 200 years."

-- Lyndon B. Johnson to two governors on Air Force One according Ronald Kessler's Book, "Inside The White House"

(On New York) "K*ketown." -- Harry Truman in a personal letter

"I think one man is just as good as another so long as he's not a n*gger or a Chinaman. Uncle Will says that the Lord made a White man from dust, a nigger from mud, then He threw up what was left and it came down a Chinaman. He does hate Chinese and Japs. So do I. It is race prejudice, I guess. But I am strongly of the opinion Negroes ought to be in Africa, Yellow men in Asia and White men in Europe and America."

-Harry Truman (1911) in a letter to his future wife Bess

"There’s some people who’ve gone over the state and said, ‘Well, George Wallace has talked too strong about segregation.’ Now let me ask you this: how in the name of common sense can you be too strong about it? You’re either for it or you’re against it. There’s not any middle ground as I know of." -- Democratic Alabama Governor George Wallace (1959)

On Jews

"You f*cking Jew b@stard." -- Hillary Clinton to political operative Paul Fray. This was revealed in "State of a Union: Inside the Complex Marriage of Bill and Hillary Clinton" and has been verified by Paul Fray and three witnesses.

"The Jews don't like Farrakhan, so they call me Hitler. Well, that's a good name. Hitler was a very great man. He rose Germany up from the ashes." -- Louis Farrakhan (1984) who campaigned for congresswoman Cynthia McKinney in 2002

"Now that nation called Israel, never has had any peace in forty years and she will never have any peace because there can never be any peace structured on injustice, thievery, lying and deceit and using the name of God to shield your dirty religion under his holy and righteous name." -- Louis Farrakhan who campaigned for congresswoman Cynthia McKinney in 2002, 1984

'Hymies.' 'Hymietown.' -- Jesse Jackson's description of New York City while on the 1984 presidential campaign trail.

"Jews — that's J-E-W-S." -- Democratic state representative Bill McKinney on why his daughter Cynthia lost in 2002

On Whites

"I want to go up to the closest white person and say: 'You can't understand this, it's a black thing' and then slap him, just for my mental health."

-- Charles Barron, a New York city councilman at a reparations rally, 2002

"Civil rights laws were not passed to protect the rights of white men and do not apply to them." -- Mary Frances Berry, Chairwoman, US Commission on Civil Rights

(I) "will not let the white boys win in this election."
-- Donna Brazile, Al Gore's Campaign Manager on the 2000 election

"The old white boys got taken fair and square." -- San Francisco Mayor Willie Brown after winning an election

"There are white n*ggers. I've seen a lot of white n*ggers in my time." -- Former Klansman and Current US Senator Robert Byrd, a man who is referred to by many Democrats as the "conscience of the Senate" in March of 2001

"The Medicaid system must have been developed by a white male slave owner. It pays for you to be pregnant and have a baby, but it won't pay for much family planning." -- Jocelyn Elders

The white man is our mortal enemy, and we cannot accept him. I will fight to see that vicious beast go down into the lake of fire prepared for him from the beginning, that he never rise again to give any innocent black man, woman or child the hell that he has delighted in pouring on us for 400 years." -- Louis Farrakhan who campaigned for congresswoman Cynthia McKinney in 2002, City College audience in New York

"There's no great, white bigot; there's just about 200 million little white bigots out there." -- USA Today columnist Julienne Malveaux

"We have lost to the white racist press and to the racist reactionary Jewish misleaders." -- Former Rep. Gus Savage (D-Illinois) after his defeat 1992

"White folks was in caves while we was building empires... We taught philosophy and astrology and mathematics before Socrates and them Greek homos ever got around to it." -- Rev. Al Sharpton in a 1994 speech at Kean College, NJ, cited in "Democrats Do the Dumbest Things

"The white race is the cancer of human history." -- Susan Sontag

"Reparations are a really good way for white people to admit they're wrong." -- Zack Webb, University Of Kentucky NAACP

Wow Democrat's... We Hardly Knew Ya! -

11:07 AM  
Anonymous rob of wilmington, del. said...

None of the above defends Allen.

So typical of the fringe right. Change the subject. Cloud the issue. Duck and dance away from the facts at hand.

The JABBS post mentions a half dozen things Allen has done -- things he sort of apologized for yesterday -- that many would consider racist.

That one anonymous person doesn't think the Confederate flag symbolizes squat is unfortunate. That another doesn't think a noose symbolizes squat is unfortunate.

That Allen tries to say he made bad decisions as a "kid," when in fact he made those decisions as recently as the 1990s, is unfortunate.

11:57 AM  
Anonymous acmavm said...

A chance at the presidency in 2008? I don't think that was ever in the cards.

12:30 PM  
Anonymous underpants said...

Oh I do

he was the front runner of the old Reagan crowd (this will be about their last election). He has done everything possible to latch on to those coat tails. His whole career has consisted of a) being the football coach's son b) sort of being Reagan's fifth child.

The funny part is that the Webb campaign has footage of St.Ronnie praising HIM and the Allen campaign, to date, has none. Not one speech or photo op or anything. Nothing.

12:30 PM  
Anonymous MookieWilson said...

Yes, yes it was.
I worked with Republicans. They were grooming this guy.

No kidding.

12:30 PM  
Anonymous acmavm said...

Well they didn't use enough cootie powder because you can groom this clown from now 'til hell freezes over and he'll never live in the White House.

The repubs are dumb but to think that they'd push this buffoon out on the American...

Crap, it just dawned on me, look at the republican trash we have squatting in the White House as I type. They'll promote anyone I guess.

12:31 PM  
Anonymous bigdarryl said...

Even his own sister questions his... Rcist remarks. this guy is TOASTED as far as a presidential canidate.

12:31 PM  
Anonymous MookieWilson said...

He's an ignorant, redneck wanna be. He grew up in California!
Webb needs to emphasize the falsity of Allen's image. Much like Bush's.

12:32 PM  
Anonymous LibDemAlways said...

I went to high school with Allen and he was not rebellious or anti-establishement in the least. He sucked up to the teachers, joined some innocuous clubs like "car club," ran track, was quarterback of the varsity football team, and dated a cheerleader. Allen's achilles heel, then, as now, was his racism. Those Confederate flags he was so fond of represented nothing else. When some racist graffiti turned up on the school walls, everyone knew exactly who was responsible - George Allen.

12:32 PM  
Anonymous abluelady said...

How About Sending The Richmond Paper a LTTE with that information. It might help us here. If Webb takes Richmond, I think he will win the seat.

12:32 PM  
Anonymous yellowcanine said...

Russert asked Allen FOUR times if he would serve a 6 year term.

Allen dodged the question every time.

MR. RUSSERT: We are out of time. Before we go, Senator Allen, you have said, “The Senate is too slow for me.” Would you pledge to serve a full six-year term if re-elected to the Senate?

SEN. ALLEN: The Senate does move too slowly. Having been governor I like action and I wish the Senate would move faster. But my focus is to keep fighting in the Senate for these ideas.

MR. RUSSERT: For six—will you serve a six-year term?

SEN. ALLEN: I’m the only candidate running on ideas on education...


SEN. ALLEN: ...and on energy independence. And I am focused...

MR. RUSSERT: I, I, I’ve read the—I’ve read the brochure. I’ve read the brochure.

SEN. ALLEN: ...and I want—I will...

MR. RUSSERT: But will you serve...

SEN. ALLEN: Sure, and you can put it in as a...(unintelligible)...of my family.

MR. RUSSERT: ...will you pledge to serve a full six-year term?

SEN. ALLEN: I pledge that I’m going to fight as hard as I can for our shared values and vision for Virginia for the next six years in Washington.

12:33 PM  
Anonymous LibDemAlways said...

Allen is deluding himself if he thinks he will still be taken seriously as a Presidential candidate. His participation in that race is over already.

12:34 PM  
Anonymous Virginia Dare said...

The Pukes have already cut him loose.. on that you can be sure. The little chimp, as stupid as he is, has never made a gaffe that bad. If you can't handle yourself in a Senatorial race, there is no way they will trust you with a Presidential race.

12:34 PM  
Anonymous MookieWilson said...

Don't forget: There's a constituency for 'stupid'

1:35 PM  
Anonymous sandnsea said...

The clip in the OP should be enough

I can't figure out how anybody could vote for someone who said something so stupid. "I was young" - when he was governor??

Add... he made up macaca? Oh please. And since when was Virginia known for cowboys and cowboy boots anyway? And he's from friggin' California - southern California at that.

He should be dying in the polls, absolutely at the bottom of the barrel. Maybe you guys need to do some sort of "clean out the barn" campaign and put Allen in the same clips with Burns of MT and Santorum of PA.

1:35 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

There are a lot of stupid people who will vote for a person who lies right to your face. Kind of reminds me of, "I never inhaled" and "I did not have sexual relations with that woman." Man, those two will go down in history.

2:40 PM  
Anonymous Dave G. said...

Shorter anonymous: No matter what anybody ever said Clinton sucked so liberals are jerks. Guh-huh, guh-huh.

A noose in your office says your a racist? If that is all the proof you have, you are truly pathetic.
How incoherent are you? did you read the original post? There's what, 12 examples?

2:46 PM  
Anonymous Angelina's Evil Twin said...

Dave G., isn't it OBVIOUS.

Fringe conservatives CAN'T DEFEND ALLEN. So they'll talk about Byrd, and Clinton, and Ted Kennedy (?) and Clinton. And did I mention Clinton?


All they are left with is to CLOUD the issue, CHANGE the subject, and hope people get CONFUSED -- as CONFUSED as they are.

3:48 PM  
Anonymous sandnsea said...

But Kerry had 45%

It's beyond baffling to me that anybody who pushed the lever for Kerry would turn around and even consider Allen. It should be a no-brainer for those 45% to vote for Webb. Who ARE these people who walk amongst us???

5:07 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

don't forget, though that a lot of people vote for House and Senate based on what pork the incumbent did or did not bring home. also, allen has far more name recognition than webb in virginia.

and, you're talking about a state that leans to the right. even the democrats in Virginia tend to be conservative, anti-abortion, anti-gay rights types.

webb, of course, is a former reagan navy secretary who defected to the democrats over the Iraq War. But he's hardly a poster child for the left.

5:07 PM  
Anonymous sandnsea said...

That still makes no sense

A former Reagan Navy Secy ought to be right up the alley of those conservative Democrats that showed up and voted for Kerry. They ought to have MORE reason to vote for Webb. Certainly he's no poster child for the left, but I haven't heard any of them defecting either so that shouldn't account for a lower percentage. Here in Oregon, our Republican portrays himself as a moderate so I can see where he'd get some swing voters who went for Kerry. But that's not true of Allen at all, so I still can't see a Kerry voter going for him. Either the Kerry campaign did a heckuvalot better job at getting votes than they're being credited for, or 'the herd' makes up a bigger portion of the voting block than I ever imagined.

5:09 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

true but his name recognition is still poor.

5:09 PM  
Anonymous magnolia said...

Republicans will say anything because their base will believe anything! Wasn't it Henry Hyde who called the affair he had while in his 40's "a youthful indescretion"!!!!

5:09 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

When I see the Confederate Flag I think of Southern Rock, Country Music, Southern Food and Southern hospitality. I like to find the good in things >>

Your ancestors probably weren't slaves.

5:11 PM  
Anonymous whoop4467 said...

Anonymous said he gave a long list of others besides Allen that made racist remarks to justify Allen being a racist.

Not surprisingly, Repukes who love to hurl invectives against the ranks of their enemies prove to have the thinnest of skins when the same is done to them.

2:45 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

And my ancestors weren't slave owners. But since I'm a white conservative I must be a racist right? And whoops why is it when conservatives point out the hypocrisy and racists views of Democrats we are accused of hurling invectives? Do you even know what the word means? I dont think you do or you wouldnt have used it in that context. It means, Denunciatory or abusive language. Those qoutes I put up there were invective. Oh and one more thing whoops. I don't consider you the enemy, I consider you miss informed. I consider the ones who want to kill you and I the enemy. When you eyes finally open up to that fact, then and only then will we be able to agree on something.

Funny, I never had to resort to being invective in this post. Can you say the same.

8:37 AM  
Anonymous Dave G. said...

Funny, I never had to resort to being invective in this post.

Did he just say "making fuck"?

12:42 PM  
Anonymous rob of wilmington, del. said...

But since I'm a white conservative I must be a racist right? >>

No one said that.

Offering that defense mechanism may make you feel better. It may help justify your blind hatred of liberals. It might make you think you scored points and defended George Allen.

Unfortunately, those assumptions would be wrong.

1:08 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"I consider you miss informed"

what does whoops win for that crown? LOL

1:08 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Funny, I seem to recall Howard "Psycho" Dean wanting to be the candidate for guys with the Confederate Flag on their pickup truck. Oh and Rob, I dont hate liberals. Offering that defense mechanism may make you feel better, but I find you all so entertaining. Kind of like seeing all the clowns getting out of the small car then not knowing which way to go.

8:39 AM  

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