Sunday, February 19, 2006

You Can't Make This Stuff Up ...

Harry Whittington, the GOP fund-raiser who was felled by a blast from Dick Cheney's shotgun, apologized on Friday for the stress the accident had caused the vice president over the past week.

"My family and I are deeply sorry for all that Vice President Cheney and his family have had to go through this past week," Whittington told reporters outside Christus Spohn Hospital in Corpus Christi, Texas.

I wonder if White House Senior Advisor Karl Rove, who called his friend Katharine Armstrong before she reported the shooting to the Corpus Christi Caller-Times, also put in a call to his friend Harry Whittington.

After all, with Cheney's popularity painfully low, Rove no doubt believes the vice president could use some public sympathy.

15 Comments:

Anonymous trinity said...

David R. Mark said...
"Harry Whittington, the GOP fund-raiser who was felled by a blast from Dick Cheney's shotgun, apologized on Friday for the stress the accident had caused the vice president over the past week.


Okay. I've been mulling this over for a few days now, and just have to address it.

I've always heard libs refer to themselves as very caring and compassionate people. In fact, I think many libs more or less elevate themselves over conservatives where "caring" is concerned. Conservatives are mean. Liberals are good-hearted. Right? Evidently not.

As far as I can see, you guys are totally without empathy in many instances. Take this current brouhaha over Cheney's hunting accident.

David, why would you find it so unusual that Mr. Whittington would apologize for all of the stress that this incident caused the Vice President? He and Cheney are very good friends. Don't you think he understands how hard the VP is taking this shooting?

I swear, it's as though you are made of ice or something. This incident has to be weighing very, very heavily on Dick Cheney. Can you not imagine how you yourself might feel, were you in Cheney's place?

From some of the comments here, I'm guessing that not many of you actually know too much about hunting, so change the scenario to something more familiar. Picture yourself driving down a busy street and having someone run out between two cars, right in front of you, and getting injured or worse. Your fault? You were the driver after all. It was an accident. Still, think about how something like that might impact your life.

Evidently Whittington seems to be acknowledging that his failure to make the other hunters in his group aware that he had returned to the hunt, directly precipitated the events that followed.

So, even though he was the one who got shot, I'm sure he also feels very sorry and even a bit guilty himself, for what anguish his friend the VP went through, and in all probability, is continuing to go through. It makes total sense to me.

10:28 PM  
Blogger thewaronterrible said...

I think JABBS' point, Trinity, was Karl Rove's orchestration of the entire response strategy.
On that point, can't we indict this guy, already?
Remember Bushies, Bush said he would fire anyone in his administration found responsible for the Plame leak.
It has been revealed by reporters and through Fitzgerald's investigation that Rove undoubtedly was involved, although it is yet to be officially determined whether that involvement rises to the level of a criminal activity. Or maybe like Libby the parties will simply lie enough to the grand jury to obfuscate the entire matter.
And it has been all over the press in recent weeks that Libby testified to a grand jury that Cheney authorized him to leak classified info to the media to build the case for the Iraq War.
For that reason alone, in a real two-party Democracy, Cheney would be facing impeachment hearings.
Nevertheless, if Bush truely had a shred of integrity, he would honed up to his word and already have canned both Rove and Cheney.
Still, I think people should use this misadventure of Cheney hunting in the words to reflect on his earlier fly fishing excursion, and on Bush's frockling on his Texas ranch and playing guitar, etc. WHILE KATRINA DROWNED NEW ORLEANS.

9:44 AM  
Anonymous Ditto said...

Trinity: HW being sorry isn't enough. He should have THANKED the VP for the honor of taking a bullet...er... buckshot for the Veep's hunting pleasure.

Conservatives mean? Who told you that? The Rush O'Hannity entertainers? Perhaps it's a fact proven by this incident, this "Passage of rite for Texas conservatives Republicans". Grown men - who have never been hungery a day in their lives - shooting small domesticated birds with shotguns for the sheer pleasure of it. Hey, Dick, ever hear of hiking? You could get to enjoy nature and it's good for the ticker! Or why not hunt Kodiac bear or wild boar - BE MEN. Then we'd all be very impressed with your dominance over nature.

Trinity: Ever heard of the boy that cried wolf? This WH has lied so many times that few believe them anymore, plain and simple... This is not David Gregory's doin'.

12:21 PM  
Anonymous alias: "cutiepie" johnson said...

All I have to say is that Harry Whittington is one very loyal Republican.

And Trinity, I understand your point, but the only time I've heard of the victim apologizing to the victimizer is during spousal abuse cases.

1:14 PM  
Anonymous Megan said...

Okay, so the guy is feeling bad for the stress put on the VP. But why is he apologizing? Cheny shot him in the face! Hell, its Cheney that should be apologizing to him, not other way around. Now, if something happened to Cheney like a being charged with assault with a deadly weapon or something, THEN he should apologize. Since the VP is getting off scott-free save for a few stress attacks, there's no need to apologize to the VP for being shot in the face.

1:27 PM  
Anonymous trinity said...

thewaronterrible said... "Remember Bushies, Bush said he would fire anyone in his administration found responsible for the Plame leak."

First of all, I don't think we heard all of the evidence in this Plame matter. I'm looking forward to hearing exactly which reporters knew what, and when.

As for what the President said, true, I think he initially said he would fire anyone involved in the leak. But I think it's only fair to assume that that statement was contingent upon the fact that Valerie Plame was, as everyone and their brother was claiming, an undercover agent. Because if she was not a undercover agent, it appears that the 1982 Agent Identities Protection Act did not even apply to her. The law is very specific.

So, I think when it became apparent that at this point in her career Plame was working in the States at a desk job, it was obvious that no law had been broken. Why should President Bush fire Rove if he broke no law? And again, there are still facts that we do not know, so I for one want to wait until they all come out before passing judgement.

Another thing. Your side is always so ready to attribute all these sinister motives to everything this administration does.

From what I can see, Rove was simply trying to warn the media about giving too much credence to some disinformation that was being disseminated by Joe Wilson who, given his anti-Bush, anti-war bias, should never have been chosen to go to Niger in the first place. In fact, he never would have been sent there had his CIA wife not recommended him twice for the job.

And it has been all over the press in recent weeks that Libby testified to a grand jury that Cheney authorized him to leak classified info to the media to build the case for the Iraq War.

Hasn't there been some discussion as to Executive Order 13292 having given Cheney some expanded authority with regard to de-classification of national security information?

Or, since the information came from the National Intelligence Estimate, much of which was about to be declassified the following week anyhow, isn't it possible that Bush declassified it and directed Cheney to give it to Libby?

I mean, you can't keep putting the cart before the horse the way you do. It seems that you're always looking to take the most drastic measures even before having all of the facts before you. At least, that's how it appears to me.

2:05 PM  
Anonymous trinity said...

Ditto said...
Trinity: HW being sorry isn't enough. He should have THANKED the VP for the honor of taking a bullet...er... buckshot for the Veep's hunting pleasure.


lol Ditto. Wiseguy. And it was birdshot, not buckshot. ;)

Grown men - who have never been hungery a day in their lives - shooting small domesticated birds with shotguns for the sheer pleasure of it.

Hopefully they consume what they kill, Ditto. "Kill It and Grill It" as Ted Nugent says. :)

This WH has lied so many times that few believe them anymore, plain and simple... This is not David Gregory's doin'.

Again, that's your opinion, Ditto. Shared by many on this blog, of course, but rejected by many others elsewhere.

David Gregory's wife made him apologize for his unprofessional behavior, btw.

2:14 PM  
Anonymous trinity said...

alias: "cutiepie" johnson said...
"All I have to say is that Harry Whittington is one very loyal Republican."


You really believe it's all about taking one for the team, cutiepie? I highly doubt that. More than a very loyal Republican, he's a very loyal friend, and a gentleman.

And Trinity, I understand your point, but the only time I've heard of the victim apologizing to the victimizer is during spousal abuse cases.

Spousal abuse, cutiepie, is an deliberate act, not an accident.

As far as Mr. Whittington goes, since he is a hunter after all, and understands that he broke protocol, you can believe that he truly does accept a good part of the blame for the accident, which is why he apologized for the grief it caused the VP. It's simply a matter of taking responsibility for one's actions.

You know, it just occurred to me that this difference of opinion we are having is a classic Republican Vs. Democrat issue. Victimhood is much more a liberal mindset than a conservative one. Now it's all beginning to make a lot more sense to me. ;)

2:28 PM  
Anonymous trinity said...

Megan said...
"But why is he apologizing? Cheny shot him in the face! Hell, its Cheney that should be apologizing to him, not other way around."


Megan, I think you can rest assured that the Vice President has apologized most profusely to his very good friend.

2:33 PM  
Blogger thewaronterrible said...

Trinity, you are wrong again.
All you are doing is regurgitating long disproven conservative spin that if you know if you even paid half attention.
I hate it when I have to try to have an informed debate with a half-cocked party.
It should be well known by now that a federal judge involved in the case of whether that New York Times Bush stenographer reporter should go to jail has documented for all to see in a ruling in the case that Plame WAS INDEED A COVERT AGENT.
The FBI agents that demanded the investigation, all Republicans by the way, stated unequivocably that Plame was a covert agent.
I believe Fitzgerald as well stated in his conclusions of the Libby indictment that Plame was definitively a covert agent.
I know you are going to make me look up the links to prove my well-known factual info. I will possibly do that later.
However, for the time being the spin that Plame was not covert is nothing more than false, conservative spin.
Want more baseless conservative frisbees?
What a sad, sorry day it is when the vice president gets to by his own decision determine what info he deems classified and worthy of disclosing to the public.
This has to be the most feeble excuse for a crime ever conceived and a second-grader would recognize that.
I'm ashamed to be living within a media world that even gets away with repeating such utter nonsense.
Like I said before, this incompetent Bush Administration is a PROVEN danger to this country, just as are the empty-skulled ignoramuses that go to any lengths to try to defend it.

4:54 PM  
Anonymous trinity said...

thewaronterrible said...
"I hate it when I have to try to have an informed debate with a half-cocked party."


I know. I'm very familiar with the feeling. (sigh) Twot, if anyone had indeed done anything illegal here, rest assured that the over-reaching Mr. Fitzgerald would have indicted them for it, don't you think? That has not happened, has it?

Here's an excerpt from a Nicholas Kristof column:

"And now a few pertinent facts:

First, the CIA suspected that Aldrich Ames had given Mrs. Wilson's name (along with those of other spies) to the Russians before his arrest for espionage in 1994. So her undercover security was undermined at that time and she was brought back to Washington for safety reasons.

Second, as Mrs. Wilson rose in the agency, she was already in transition away from undercover work to management, and to liaison roles with other intelligence agencies. So this year, even before she was outed, she was moving away from "noc'' - which means non-official cover, like pretending to be a business executive. After passing as an energy analyst for Brewster-Jennings & Associates, a CIA front company, she was switching to a new cover as a State Department official, affording her diplomatic protection without having "CIA'' stamped on her forehead.

Third, Mrs. Wilson's intelligence connections became known a bit in Washington as she rose in the CIA and moved to State Department cover, but her job remained a closely held secret. Even her classmates in the CIA's career training program mostly knew her only as Valerie P. That way, if one spook defected, the damage would be limited.

All in all, I think the Democrats are engaging in hyperbole when they describe the White House as having put Mrs. Wilson's life in danger and destroyed her career; her days skulking along the back alleys of cities like Beirut and Algiers were already mostly over."


http://www.helenair.com/articles/2003/10/14/opinions/a04101403_02.txt

In any case, twot, I'm not suggesting that anyone should ever just go around deliberately outing CIA agents, no matter what their status. I don't think that was the purpose for anyone in the administration mentioning her name though, as I've already stated.

Actually, I'm not even sure they did mention her name. They only brought her up in the context of her having been personally responsible for such an unlikely candidate as the very biased Mr. Wilson being sent on such a mission in the first place.

Also, just as an aside, in order for the 1982 Agent Identities Protection Act to apply to an agent, I believe that the agent must have been on an overseas assignment within the past five years. That seems very unlikely in Mrs. Wilson's case, since she has six-year-old twins at home.

This is all a manufactured scandal, imho, and I'm stillw waiting to see how it ultimately turns out.

1:13 PM  
Anonymous trinity said...

thewaronterrible said...
"What a sad, sorry day it is when the vice president gets to by his own decision determine what info he deems classified and worthy of disclosing to the public."


What's sad is the fact that some people can't discern the difference between what is news that affects our national security, and news that is tragic on a personal level. You come off as being totally without a heart. And a brain, too, I might add. ;)

1:17 PM  
Anonymous trinity said...

thewaronterrible said...
"I believe Fitzgerald as well stated in his conclusions of the Libby indictment that Plame was definitively a covert agent.
I know you are going to make me look up the links to prove my well-known factual info. I will possibly do that later."


I know that Libby's defense team has repeatedly asked Fitzgerald to provide evidence that Plame's employment status in the CIA was classified at the time of Novak's column, but he refuses to accommodate their request. Instead, all he did was state that he has no documents that show she was not classified.

"The defense also seeks all documents "relating to whether Valerie Wilson’s status as a CIA employee, or any aspect of that status, was classified at any time between May 6, 2003 and July 14, 2003." Mr. Libby predicates his request on a single reference in the indictment to the fact that Ms. Wilson’s employment status was classified during the relevant time. (Paragraph 1(f) of the Indictment). The defendant overlooks the simple fact that Ms. Wilson’s employment status was either classified or it was not. If the government had any documents stating that Ms. Wilson’s employment status was not classified during the relevant time -- and we do not -- we would produce them though not strictly required to under the doctrine of Brady v. Maryland. The defense is not entitled to every document mentioning a fact merely because that fact is mentioned in the indictment."

It would seem to me that if it was never really determined whether or not Plame's status was classified to begin with, there was never a need for the investigation to even go forward. The whole thing makes no sense.

5:05 PM  
Blogger thewaronterrible said...

TRINITY YOU ARE COMPLETELY WRONG.
PLEASE CHECK THE LINK FOR THE DOCUMENT OF THE CONCLUSIONS OF FITZGERALD'S INVESTIGATION
http://www.usdoj.gov/usao/iln/osc/documents/libby_pr_28102005.pdf
AS YOU YOURSELF POINTED OUT, FITZGERALD CLEARLY STATES THAT PLAME'S NAME "WAS CLASSIFIED" PRIOR TO LIBBY OUTING HER.
I JUST DON'T GIVE THE SAME WEIGHT TO THE SELF SERVING DEFENSES OF LIBBY, AN INDICTED FELON.
I ALSO DON'T SEE ANY OF YOUR CLAIMS WORTHY OF SALT AGAINS THE FEDERAL JUDGE'S CLEAR DECISION IN THE JUDITH MILLER CASE WHERE HE STATED UNEQUIVOCABLY THAT WITHOUT ANY DOUBT. MILLER WAS COVERT AND CLASSIFIED.
LIKE WITH MOST CONSERVATIVES, YOUR DEFENSE IS TO SUGGEST, "OH BUT IT HASN'T BEEN PROVEN."
AND IT NEVER LIKELY WILL BE. LIBBY WILL LIKELY SETTLE THIS MATTER QUIETLY, IF HE DOESN'T GET A BUSH PARDON, WITHOUT A FINAL DECISION EVER RENDERED. THE VERY IDEA IS SO THAT BUSHIES LIKE YOU WILL ALWAYS BE ABLE TO CLAIM, "OH BUT IT HASN'T BEEN PROVEN."
AND I STAND BY ALL MY OTHER EVIDENCES OF PLAME'S COVERT STATUS.
DON'T EVEN THINK OF TRYING TO ARGUE WITH ME BY THROWING ME A LINK TO A THREE YEAR OLD OUTDATED FACTUALLY DISPROVEN ARTICLE WRITTEN BY A RIGHT-WING COLUMNIST.
I AM GOING TO HOLD MYSELF BACK FROM RESPONDING TO ANY MORE OF YOUR MISINFORMED POSTS.
I DON'T LIKE TAKING UP SO MUCH SPACE ON THIS BLOG AND
I CAN THINK OF BETTER WAYS TO INSULT MY INTELLIGENCE.
GOOD DAY!

5:29 PM  
Anonymous trinity said...

For the record, in case anyone is even interested....

thewaronterror said...
"I AM GOING TO HOLD MYSELF BACK FROM RESPONDING TO ANY MORE OF YOUR MISINFORMED POSTS."


LOL twot. You don't have to shout. You are the master of your domain, so to speak, and are certainly entitled to choose which posts you respond to, and which you do not.

With regard to Libby's testimony, lying is wrong, and if it is ever proven that he deliberately gave false testimony in a grand jury investigation, I agree he should be punished for same. That, however, has not yet been proven. Lying and memory failure over time are not one and the same. Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.

With regard to the claim of Plame's covert and/or classified status, Fitzgerald can provide proof of that in court, since so far he has refused to share such evidence with Libby's attorneys.

Just so you know, though, that entire investigation has been a travesty. The entire thing was orchestrated by political adversaries of resident Bush, and once Fitzgerald realized that the law in question had not been violated, the entire matter should have been dropped. It has been nothing but a gross waste of taxpayer dollars.

3:13 PM  

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