Tuesday, January 31, 2006

Democrats Need To Respond To Rove's Latest Empty Spin

JABBS doesn't often link to opinion pieces -- better to let the facts speak for themselves -- but readers should take a close look at the Jan. 29 piece in the Los Angeles Times, from New Republic Senior Editor Jonathan Chait, about the latest empty conservative spin offered by White House Senior Advisor Karl Rove.

"Republicans have a post-9/11 view of the world and Democrats have a pre-9/11 view of the world," asserted Rove in a Jan. 20 speech.

Chait suggests this will be the "main GOP theme for the 2006 elections." Any Democrat running for re-election this fall, or planning a presidential run in 2008, needs to understand the arsenal Rove and his minions will use, and respond accordingly.

The defense Chait provides is a good place to start.

24 Comments:

Anonymous tom said...

i'm so disappointed in the Democrats for failing to even slow down Bush's agenda. Let's face it, the government is broken and we can't fix it, the Congress won't fix it, and the courts are now going to be stacked so it remains this way for generations.

8:21 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

You can't blame Rove/Bush for continuing the terrorism tactic.
It works.
A recent ABC-Washington Post poll found the majority of Americans found Bush to be incompetent on eight out of nine issues except terrorism.
Two-thirds of the country believe Bush has made the U.S. safer since 9-11, the poll found.
Right. He's incompetent in 8 out of 9 issues, including Iraq, yet still somehow viewed as a competent "War president."
Here's the question every American should be asking themselves. Why is this so after the Katrina response?
The Progressive Daily Beacon asks a fair question: if Katrina had been a terrorist attack instead of a natural disaster, would the American public still believe Bush has made the country safer.
And what about this fact. The FEMA created by the Clinton Administration was widely praised for a swift response to 9-11. It was only after the Bush Administration dismantled and reoriented that FEMA that we witnessed the bungled response to Katrina.
http://www.progressivedailybeacon.com/commentary.php?id=967

Then the 9-11 Commission graded the Bush Administration "Ds" and "Fs" on enacting domestic security measures.
It is truely astounding people in light of all the facts still find Bush strong on terrorism.
Rove can be given credit for perpetrating that myth.
It is all of us Americans who are gravely endangered.

10:34 AM  
Anonymous rob of wilmington, del. said...

Their motto should be:

"Vote For Us, Or Die!"

Sort of like when Cheney in the 2004 campaign suggested that voting for Kerry would increase the chances of an Al Qaeda or nuclear strike against the U.S.

10:53 AM  
Anonymous StopThePendulum said...

Very easy to reframe that Rove spin

Democrats have a pro-democracy mentality. Repunks have a pro-dictatorship mentality.

10:59 AM  
Anonymous firefox said...

Repukes have a pro-Empire mentality and Dems have a ??????
The Repukes want to continue the greatest failure of the twentieth century with the policy of prohibition and the Dems want ???????

11:00 AM  
Anonymous Canuckistanian said...

That's good

Might be a little too extreme for the six-pack crowd, though.

How about pro-Constitution? Pro checks and balances?

I think that would resonate more.

11:00 AM  
Anonymous Canuckistanian said...

They're really saturating with this meme
Pre-9/11, post-9/11.

There was even a poster today mentioning about a poll asking if Dems were using pre or post 9/11 thinking.

11:05 AM  
Anonymous BOSSHOG said...

Was 9/11 that important?

In the scheme of American History?? WWII, D-Day, Pearl Harbor, The Civil War, Kennedy Assasination, Man on the Moon, The American Revolution, and on and on and on. Does 9/11 make the top twenty in important events in our countries history? I think not. However, its all rove and his kind have and they are blessed with an ignorant, fearful base. I do not live in the post-9/11 world republicans have made up.

11:17 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

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11:18 AM  
Anonymous alias: "cutiepie" johnson said...

I think you're mistaken.

I would suggest 9/11 ranks at or near the top, just because it marks a point in time when the U.S. was no longer safe because of the oceans surrounding it. I'm not trying to make a political statement, mind you -- just a historical one.

Just off the top of my head, I would rank them:

1) Declaration of Independence/Revolutionary War
2) Civil War/Freeing the Slaves
3) 9/11
4) Dropping the Atomic Bombs on Japan
5) D-Day/Ending WWII/Marshall Plan
6) Westward Expansion/Louisiana Purchase
7) Women earning right to vote
8) Development of the automobile
9) Development of the telephone
10) Watergate

11:26 AM  
Anonymous TygrBright said...

Something about...
...."Republicans have a fear-based view of the world, Democrats have a strength-based view."

What, after all, is the willingness to torpedo civil liberties, the economy, civil society, etc., to 'protect ourselves from tera', if not fear?

What is willingness to invest in the economy, to protect civil liberties, and to build a strong civil society if not strength?

helpfully,
Bright

11:31 AM  
Anonymous QC said...

Republicans have a pre-1776 view of the world.
They favor an absolute monarchy headed by a King George.

11:31 AM  
Anonymous democrat_patriot said...

Rove has been saying that for years. Especially last election.

They aren't dumb, they know what 'fear' cards to play.

11:32 AM  
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2:25 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I want to respond to the above blogger who said "Democrats represent ????."
Why don't you take a few moments to educate yourself instead of playing into conservative spin.
The Democrats in Congress do have solutions. They do have ideas. The reason they do not get aired is because of the Republican majority, and the MSM which largely plays along with this baseless spin that the Dems have no ideas.
We saw that total bullshit spin, falsly applied to Kerry last election. This spin had criminally prevented Kerry from getting the truth out so that we now have to endure another four years of this criminal in the White House.

2:33 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

How about this "pre-911" world view. The U.S. had a huge surplus. We had record employment and job earnings. We had a national security agency focused on eliminating Al Quada. We had a competent president. We had the respect and admiration of most of the world. We had a well organized Federal Emergency Management Agency.
The "post-9-11" world view: Record deficit, sluggish or even comparatively non-existant employment growth, rising U.S. poverty and healthcare costs, Bush incompetence, lies and cover-ups, whose incompetence arguably caused the history-changing event, a divisive Congress and president, Abramhoff Republican scandals, A top member of the executive branch indicted, a revamped FEMA that bungled the Katrina response, illegal wiretapping of U.S. citizens, loss of respect and credibility in the world, a Vietnam-scale war in Iraq, international terrorism at heightened risk.
Need I say more.

2:52 PM  
Anonymous Loge23` said...

Is this the pre-indictment Rove?
I suppose it is. I wonder what the post-indictment Rove will try to sell, other than cigarettes and gum.

11:28 AM  
Anonymous applegrove said...

So if your view of the world did change after 9/11 - you have to vote Rep?

Yeah right. Now I know how to vote. Thanks Kaa!

11:28 AM  
Anonymous Mayberry Machiavelli said...

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11:28 AM  
Anonymous Dr Fate said...

Won't people who take polls get mad at us or somthing?
Wont the media be mean to us if we do that? Polls show that swing-voters dont like it when we stand up for ourselves, or somthing.

Maybe we should try being nice to him.

11:28 AM  
Anonymous trinity said...

tom said...
"i'm so disappointed in the Democrats for failing to even slow down Bush's agenda. Let's face it, the government is broken and we can't fix it, the Congress won't fix it, and the courts are now going to be stacked so it remains this way for generations."


Tom, sooner or later you are going to have to face the facts. Not everyone agrees with you that the government is broken. Things are going the way they are because more people agree with the conservative message, than with the liberal non-message. If all you guys have in your political arsenal is "attack", "criticize", "reject", and "whine", it's no wonder that you cannot get the majority of American people behind you. What is it you stand for, besides hating this president and finding fault with all that he does?

As far as the SCOTUS goes, you shouldn't be surprised when presidents choose judicial nominees who share their ideology. When Clinton appointed the very liberal Ruth Bader Ginzberg, Republicans were surely not happy about it, yet they accepted his choice because she was qualified to serve. Nobody on the Right suggested at the time that he nominate someone who was more in line with the conservatives than the liberals.

And just to show you how unreasonable the Democrats can be, when Justice Sandra Day O'Connor was leaving, they demanded that Bush nominate a "consensus" candidate to replace her, so that they could maintain their idea of "balance" in the court.

Why is it that when a Democrat President is doing the nominating, consensus and balance are not an issue? How is it that Clinton could nominate Ginzberg, a pro-abortion candidate, to replace Byron R. White, one of the two dissenting votes on Roe V Wade? Why wasn't anyone worried about maintaining the balance of the court back then?

No, the fact is that although your side vehemently denies it, you do have one set of standards for yourselves, and an entirely different one for conservatives. But elections have consequences, and I can't lay it out any clearer than Democrat Rahm Emanuel did when he said.... "George Bush won the election. If you don't like it, you better win elections."

2:46 PM  
Anonymous trinity said...

"Republicans have a post-9/11 view of the world and Democrats have a pre-9/11 view of the world," asserted Rove..."

I'm sorry to say, but with few exceptions, I find this statement to be amazingly accurate, which is why it resonates with so many people.

Someone of my political bent, listening to the leaders of your party, and to liberals who post on sites like this one, would have to come away with the impression that you guys simply do not take the threat of radical Islam nearly as seriously as we do. It's just a fact. I don't know why that is, either, because the proof is definitely out there to support the gravity of the problem, but you seem pretty much blind to it.

What else are we to believe, given the manner in which every step of the way you fight this administration's efforts to do what is necessary to protect us? When our intelligence agencies fail us, you scream that Bush didn't connect the dots. When he endeavors to improve on our intelligence methods, you scream that he doesn't have the authority. You can't have it both ways, not that you don't keep trying to.

And before someone else argues that the Democrats would be more than willing to sign on to changes that would update the FISA law, let me express a healthy dose of skepticism, in view of the struggle Bush is having in getting Dems to renew the Patriot Act. Actions speak louder than words, and it's clear that the Dems' actions belie their claims to be supportive and cooperative in safeguarding our nation defense.

Also, I would just add that when GWB ran for the presidency, one of the cornerstones of his campaign was to appoint more conservative judges to the high court, and both public opinion polls then, AND the results of two general elections, seem to indicate that most Americans are in favor of those ideas.

3:24 PM  
Anonymous alias: "cutiepie" johnson said...

Things are going the way they are because more people agree with the conservative message, than with the liberal non-message. >>

That sounds nice, Trinity, but it's just not true. Have you looked at the motley of polls over the past few months?

Bush is consistently scoring a 40% approval. Cheney is at 19% in one poll. A majority of Americans disagree with the way Bush is handling Iraq, the way he's handling the economy. The country is split on the war on terror and the warrantless surveillance.

Frankly, Trinity, I expected better out of you.

5:31 PM  
Anonymous trinity said...

alias: "cutiepie" johnson said...

Trinity said...."Things are going the way they are because more people agree with the conservative message, than with the liberal non-message."

"That sounds nice, Trinity, but it's just not true. Have you looked at the motley of polls over the past few months?"


What can I say, cutiepie? I'm not denying those polls exist. As I mentioned before, I just have a great distrust of them, considering the agenda of most of the people who are conducting these polls.

So, going just with what I observe, both in this country and in others, (Think Canada and Germany) I am seeing definite signs that liberalism is slowly being rejected on it's face, and conservativism is on the rise.

"Frankly, Trinity, I expected better out of you.

Well, sorry to disappoint, cutiepie. :( You would not want me to be dishonest in what I say, would you? I truly despise dishonesty in any form.

All I'm saying is that generally speaking, conservatives everywhere are finding their voice, and imho, they are winning the debate. I think their message is much more honest, positive and sensible than what I hear coming from liberals.

12:52 PM  

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