Sunday, December 25, 2005

Some Conservatives, While Discussing Bush's Surveillance Program, Mentioning Dreaded "I" Word

It's one thing when a liberal politician or publication mentions the word "impeachment" in reaction to President Bush allowing and then defending warrantless domestic surveillance.

But some very un-liberal sources are also mentioning the dreaded "I" word.

Consider that un-liberal publication, Barron's. On its website, Barron's Online, this was posted on Dec. 24 by the editors: "Willful disregard of a law is potentially an impeachable offense. It is at least as impeachable as having a sexual escapade under the Oval Office desk and lying about it later. The members of the House Judiciary Committee who staged the impeachment of President Clinton ought to be as outraged at this situation. They ought to investigate it, consider it carefully and report either a bill that would change the wiretap laws to suit the president or a bill of impeachment."

And on the Dec. 20 edition of NPR's Diane Rehm Show, Bruce Fein, former deputy attorney general in the Reagan Administration, said:

FEIN: On its face, if President Bush is totally unapologetic and says I continue to maintain that as a war-time President I can do anything I want – I don’t need to consult any other branches – that is an impeachable offense. It’s more dangerous than Clinton’s lying under oath because it jeopardizes our democratic dispensation and civil liberties for the ages. It would set a precedent that … would lie around like a loaded gun, able to be used indefinitely for any future occupant.

On the same show, conservative pundit Norman Ornstein of the American Enterprise Institute added:

ORNSTEIN: I think if we’re going to be intellectually honest here, this really is the kind of thing that Alexander Hamilton was referring to when impeachment was discussed.

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Also noteworthy were Dec. 16 comments from from Republican Congressman Bob Barr (R-GA), who spoke on the Dec. 16 edition of CNN's The Situation Room with Wolf Blitzer. (You can watch the video here.)

Although Barr doesn't mention "impeachment," his tone is nonetheless very clear as he debates Rep. Dana Rohrabacher (R-CA):

BARR: Here again, this is absolutely a bizarre conversation where you have a member of Congress saying that it's okay for the president of the United States to ignore U.S. law, to ignore the Constitution, simply because we are in an undeclared war. The fact of the matter is the law prohibits -- specifically prohibits -- what apparently was done in this case, and for a member of Congress to say, oh, that doesn't matter, I'm proud that the president violated the law is absolutely astounding, Wolf.

9 Comments:

Anonymous kath said...

wow - that quote by the AEI guy is somethin' else!

Thanks for the post - I'd read about the Barron's article, but didn't know about the other comments.

1:00 AM  
Anonymous Saint Stephen said...

Please tell me this is true

BARR: Here again, this is absolutely a bizarre conversation where you have a member of Congress saying that it's okay for the president of the United States to ignore U.S. law, to ignore the Constitution, simply because we are in an undeclared war. The fact of the matter is the law prohibits -- specifically prohibits -- what apparently was done in this case, and for a member of Congress to say, oh, that doesn't matter, I'm proud that the president violated the law is absolutely astounding, Wolf.


I love watching the repugs self destruct. LOL!!

1:01 AM  
Anonymous kiseneb said...

Wolf removes right foot, replaces with left foot and seems to suffer from severe case of foot-in-mouth disease. Time for more Rs to be hopping around on one leg, while they try to extract the other from their mouth. (vastly amusing thought -late on Christmas Day while listening to the Bach Christmas Oratorio)

2:18 AM  
Anonymous Roger Drowne EC said...

Time To JAIL the Bu$h Gang

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10:26 AM  
Blogger Maezeppa said...

"former Bruce Fein"? What's he calling himself these days?

12:00 PM  
Blogger David R. Mark said...

Good catch. I made the correction. Thanks.

12:21 PM  
Anonymous ash said...

Ah, Republican infighting. It's positively delicious.

4:38 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

If anything at all is going to get him impeached, this is going to be it.

The GOP don't care about the other, far worse, crimes he's committed. Lying us into war. Doing nothing in the aftermath of Katrina. Trashing the economy. They don't matter because the GOP and their rich cronies benefit from all of that.

Likewise, the GOP don't care if Joe Public is wiretapped. They're orgasmically ecstatic if the Dems get wiretapped because they can use the information gained to smear their opponents with truth (rather than Rovian invention).

The GOP may present a united front, but they're diverse in private because they each have their own scams. They'll go along with Bush most of the time but occasionally they'll go their own way. And that's where the problem arises.

If Bush wiretaps the GOP then they're under his thumb. Absolutely no dissent allowed. Ever. The slightest criticism will mean their every sexual pecadillo and their every piece of corruption gets exposed. So it's Bush's way or the highway. Repeal the XXIInd Amendment or else (similar tactics will be used on state legislatures) and then it's President-for-life Dubya the 1st.

Even worse, Bush will know about their every corrupt deal and will demand a very large percentage of the take.

The GOP aren't going to stand for that. If they do, Bush effectively makes them into powerless puppets. So it's impeach now or never.

7:58 PM  
Anonymous Mike Brown said...

It's a tremendous relief to hear some conservatives Republicans actually broach the subject of impeachment relative to George Bush. For the past five years, almost without exception, Republicans generally have served as a tight group of enablers of errant, disastrous Bush policies. Finally, a few responsible members of that group are coming to grips with the arrogance, dishonesty, and imperialistic nature of this administration and the damage it's doing, not only to the party, but to the intrinsic nature of our republic and its worldwide image around the world.

1:57 PM  

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