Sunday, May 08, 2005

The Alternate Universe of Conservatives


"Torture is never acceptable ... nor do we hand over people to countries that do torture."

-- President Bush, quoted in the New York Times, January 27, 2005


“The policy of the United States not to expel, extradite, or otherwise effect the involuntary return of any person to a country in which there are substantial grounds for believing the person would be in danger of being subjected to torture, regardless of whether the person is physically present in the United States.”

-- Section 2242 of the Foreign Affairs Reform and Restructuring Act, 1998

"Makes the statutory restriction on removing an alien to a country where the alien's life or freedom would be threatened inapplicable to those aliens who have engaged in, or are likely to engage in, certain terrorist activity."

-- Section 3031 of the 9/11 Recommendations Implementation Act, 2004

"The Administration strongly opposes section 3032 of the bill. The Administration remains committed to upholding the United States’ obligations under the Convention Against Torture and Other Cruel, Inhuman, or Degrading Treatment or Punishment. Consistent with that treaty, the United States does not expel, return, or extradite individuals to countries where the United States believes it is more likely than not they will be tortured."

-- White House statement on the act, October 7, 2004

"Replaces section 3032 by substituting language providing that aliens who are barred from restriction on removal and who are ordered removed can be detained pending removal, in the Secretary of Homeland Security's nonreviewable discretion. The replacement language also requires the Secretary of State to ensure the protection of an alien barred from restriction on removal, who has been ordered removed but otherwise given protection under the immigration law, prior to that alien's removal."

-- Notes on House/Senate compromise of bill, signed into law December 17, 2004

No changes were made to the provision in section 3031.


"Basically, the National Security Council gave us the mission, take down these cells, dismantle them and take people off the streets so they can't kill Americans. They just didn't give us anywhere to take the people after we captured."

-- Michael Scheuer, former CIA official under the Bush administration, speaking to CBS' 60 Minutes about deportation of terror suspects to Egypt and Jordan

"(T)here is growing evidence that the United States has sent terror suspects to Uzbekistan for detention and interrogation, even as Uzbekistan's treatment of its own prisoners continues to earn it admonishments from around the world, including from the State Department.

Seven months before Sept. 11, 2001, the State Department issued a human-rights report on Uzbekistan. It was a litany of horrors. The police repeatedly tortured prisoners, State Department officials wrote, noting that the most common techniques were 'beating, often with blunt weapons, and asphyxiation with a gas mask.'

Separately, international human-rights groups had reported that torture in Uzbek jails included boiling of body parts, using electroshock on genitals and plucking off fingernails and toenails with pliers. Two prisoners were boiled to death, the groups reported. "

-- Seattle Times, May 1, 2005

"Rendition was originally carried out on a limited basis, but after September 11th, when President Bush declared a global war on terrorism, the program expanded beyond recognition—becoming, according to a former C.I.A. official, 'an abomination.' What began as a program aimed at a small, discrete set of suspects — people against whom there were outstanding foreign arrest warrants — came to include a wide and ill-defined population that the Administration terms 'illegal enemy combatants.' Many of them have never been publicly charged with any crime. Scott Horton, an expert on international law who helped prepare a report on renditions issued by N.Y.U. Law School and the New York City Bar Association, estimates that a hundred and fifty people have been rendered since 2001. Representative Ed Markey, a Democrat from Massachusetts and a member of the Select Committee on Homeland Security, said that a more precise number was impossible to obtain. 'I’ve asked people at the C.I.A. for numbers,' he said. 'They refuse to answer. All they will say is that they’re in compliance with the law.'"

-- New Yorker magazine, February 14, 2005


Somebody is lying.


Blogger David Drake said...

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Blogger pacotheus said...

Suppose someone comes over from Uzbekistan or Syria or Egypt. Let's say it's someone who is considered "undesirable" or "obnoxious" by the authorities in their own country. But the person come to the US, starts preaching for the destruction of the US in mosques and overstays their visa. Is it OK for the US authorities to deport such a person to their home country where the authorities there may very well jail them or worse?

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